*looks sadly at Staff* Yup, 800. Can't brandish it menacingly anymore. Who'd be menaced by 800 damage? Christ...

EDIT:



Just resistances. Int and Str still worthless. But oh well, I guess that's a start. Yay admins!

edit: too long and rantish

The problem, I think, was scaling. Extremes with con/int/str blah blah were doing ridiculous things. The solution was apparently to just shotgun damage on all levels...which I'm having trouble understanding.

This has made geo staff utterly and totally useless. I took it out of my combat macros, it serves no purpose for a class which SHOULD have the option of a damage kill. It's on the level with cosmicfire suck-age now. If mindblast or rockslide is nerfed...I will have a mental breakdown.

And what is up with denizens. My bashing has been all over the place these past few days. Normal, then ungodly easy, now it's kinda crap.

Dude, hold off your rants until they declare it done. THEN you can complain how much you got shafted.

you people are bloody terrible. They fix something, trying to make it better and all you can do is bitch and ask for more?

Damage reduction got normalised, and so did damage bonuses, what it's done is to weed out the extreme cases, while keeping everything else pretty much to scale.

Classes are still balanced for the most part, and good players will be able to kill with any archetype. Aquas and geos aren't damage reliant classes for the most part, and anyone who chooses exclusivley to be a damage knight needs to learn to play.

wiccans and druids certainly aren't easy street to kill with i can assure you of that. Also if you rely on staffcast and rockslide to kill, then you need to learn to mage, because you have 2 other skillsets that the gods have given you to use.


Rest assured the admin are working on the problem, and the envoys are doing our best to help too. Everyone needs to go take a chill pill, or give yourselves an uppercut

Very good response from the admins, with the change to armour and racials, I think we can start to really balance things now!
Thank you admins!:)

Cosmicfire sucks.. UPGRADE TO IT AND SYMBOL please?

And bashin sucks again... worse than before.

hope they refix warriors... dont like dying in 2 hits

Hm, I might need to add a bit to my last post:
Yeah, I was pissed at first, but then I realized that this will be better for Lusty as a whole in the long run for balance. Racials and armour not factoring into DMP was a fabulous change, and I really like that the admins responded so fast.


Oh, but a question: Do proofings in tailoring factor into DMP (Which I assume), could then the correct amount of dmps be added to the abfiles of the proofings?

Y'know, when it first came out and I went to Astral and hit a few lobstrosities. It was practically orgasmic. I could take 2 lobstricities with ease and I could hit parasites.

Now today I went back, and I'm struggling again. What a turn off

Please bring back the uber bashing.

I can't believe the divine nerfed people! Please make me UBER again so I can kill with just damage and no strategy! Or at the very least, make it so that I can kill astral mobs in seconds so we can all be demigods!

This is a horrible change. It makes it so I actually have to play the game instead of sailing through on extreme stats and bugs. I should go to WoW where they don't worry about things like 'balance' and I can 'win' the game.

Woah, hey, as much as I liked killing astral mobs in seconds so I can be a demigod, I'm more concerned about how far the other way it's swung. Now I seem to do normal damage, but I get randomly pwnt by fesixes! (and this was before I went faeling for the influence, grah bug)

I think the main thing being complained about is that int/str sort of became worthless, not only making pvp harder, but also hunting harder. Maybe Mage/Druid's don't need to rely on a damage kill to be good at PVP, but for PVE there is pretty much nothing else to rely on. I chose Elfen for three things:

1. Roleplay
2. High Int
3. High Cha

If suddenly my Int becomes useless, and Con is all that matters, that is not good for me.

However, I also have faith that the admin's are going to work it out so that everything is fair, especially since that's the entire point of this change: fairness. And as long as we keep telling them what we like/don't like, everything will get fixed appropriately.

I think it has already been suggested several times, but let me throw it out one more time...

Everything is being fixed appropriately. They know that people got used to high int/str/whatever races and things will have to be adjusted. I think I even mentioned that Estarra said before she would be willing to consider a complete racial overhaul in the near future. People consistently repeating their complaints will not make this happen any faster.

If you want small tweaks, by all means ask for it. If you want them to reverse the change/redesign your race/etc. it's not going to happen right now.

Bashing is tedious and boring. I don't play games to be bored that is what work is for. The Uber bashing made bashing more fun and less tedious. The number of hits it takes to kill a mob isn't going to decrease the amount of time it takes to get Titan or Demi. Mobs still have the same repop time. I still have to kill the same number of beasties and I still have to wait the same amount of time for the fates to spit them back out.

This doesn't quite stand up.

1. If bashing is tedious and boring, don't do it! Nobody makes you go out and bash - some of us actually enjoy it.
2. Decreasing the number of hits it takes to kill a creature means you can kill that creature faster. The experience you gain from the creature is the same. With uber-bashing you can gain more experience in less time - that, by definition, means it is easier to get to titan or demi. If you run out of creatures, you're just not looking hard enough!
3. Having everyone make it to demigod makes Lusternia a less enjoyable place, not more. It should be difficult, it should require hard work and dedication. Making bashing super easy for everyone is not the way to go.

Have my children.

1. It is the best way to gain levels. As an elfen my character needs levels because elfen con does what a hoover does.
2. Mobs have re-pop timers. No matter how quick I kill them they still won't be available for me to kill again until that timer resets.
3. The difficulty in killing a non named mob does not factor. Getting from level 1- 70 was already easy. Bashing now is still easy but it is also tedious. The two terms are not mutually exclusive.

1. It is a good way to gain levels, but it is meant to be challenging. If you want it to be easy, would you also support just starting everyone out at level 80? That way they can skip over the whole thing.
2. You are assuming that there is a certain number of mobs and that you have to sit and wait for them to come back. That's a faulty assumption - you can always find something to kill in the meantime. If you are devoted to hunting, you can bash constantly without having to wait for repops.
3. The difficulty is actually a HUGE factor. Ask any demigod if they would have made it more quickly if they could kill creatures in half the time.

1. Your attempted point is nonsensical.
2. By the time you get to a level where bashing becomes tedious killing certain beastings has little value. You are also not factoring in the over-saturation of hunters in hunting grounds.
3.You are still completely ignoring the fact that mobs have repop timers. Again tedious and easy are not mutually exclusive terms.

If anything the uber bashing would make things more difficult. If Lusternia had a smaller population your points may, stress may, hold true. As it is there are often multiple people bashing in each hunting ground. If that hunting ground is more quickly cleared out then the other hunters will not have access to the XP from that area.