monks

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Geb2007-09-21 06:45:22
We have our disagreements, but we also agree on a lot of things too.
Unknown2007-09-21 08:02:14
I want concussion back. Somehow the chance to hit it was lowered so much I'm not managing -at all- now anymore. Where's the big point to ppk head if you can't even concussion anymore. sad.gif

PS: And what's up with these new smileys? I just got used to the royal crowns team.
Krellan2007-09-21 08:42:51
do I have a new face for when people reject me so? sad.gif
Saran2007-09-21 09:50:58
Why are people suggesting that we slow down monks when grapples from monks with speed mods can apparently be writhed off between forms?
Gelo2007-09-21 13:03:21
QUOTE(Saran @ Sep 21 2007, 07:50 PM) 443372
Why are people suggesting that we slow down monks when grapples from monks with speed mods can apparently be writhed off between forms?


Not to mention shielding, webbing, breaking one limb, making us stupid stops the forms. Plus... running out of the room and healing basically neuters everything a monk do. rolleyes.gif

^ I swear I thought that one was an unsure smiley.
Unknown2007-09-21 19:09:05
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 21 2007, 12:22 AM) 443337
May we know the name of your character and a partial list of the fighters you have defeated solo without using any power attacks?


I could provide these, if I wracked my brain long enough, though there wouldn't be many "fighters", if you're talking about people who are extremely good and/or PK a lot. However, I don't think that someone needs to be a "fighter" (in the aforementioned sense) to be able to cure well.

QUOTE(Murphy @ Sep 21 2007, 12:23 AM) 443338
he's right, with a good parry system and stancning, you will be unable to kill him unless you have a lot of str, arties and you have enough experience to know how to play it.


Is the bolded still necessary, with this DMP crap?

QUOTE(Murphy @ Sep 21 2007, 12:23 AM) 443338
Power moves for a warrior are important.


Important, yes; I never said they weren't. Necessary? I really don't think so, especially with "a lot of str, arties, experience". You or Geb (as a PB) could probably easily kill the majority of Lusternia's playerbase without using power, I would think.
Unknown2007-09-21 19:45:37
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 20 2007, 10:16 PM) 443312
I’m not going to jump all into this quagmire of a discussion, but I will make a statement to the original poster. What I have noticed is that you seem to complain about a lot of classes you have fought against. Each time you are complaining about how you are incapable of dealing with what each class is able to do to you. I would suggest to you that the problem is you, your healing methods, your skill levels, and your tactics.


Then you obviously didn't read a word I said. Nice try though. Love when people jump to look cool of forums instead of actually offereing help. I genuinly didn't know what to do against monks...they are still new. Get over yourself.

It's painfully obvious you make judgements before you actually read. I've complained about monks. Yes. I will admit that. I am frustrated with them. I needed help with bonecrushers, when Ceren admitted he was using an "annoying" tactic that I couldn't do much about....everything else I've found out for myself.

Some people. Thanks for the help though everyone else.
Exeryte2007-09-21 20:19:33
QUOTE(Krellan @ Sep 21 2007, 03:42 AM) 443370
do I have a new face for when people reject me so? sad.gif

I think the new one works.
Catarin2007-09-21 20:48:28
QUOTE(Bianca @ Sep 21 2007, 01:45 PM) 443408
Then you obviously didn't read a word I said. Nice try though. Love when people jump to look cool of forums instead of actually offereing help. I genuinly didn't know what to do against monks...they are still new. Get over yourself.

It's painfully obvious you make judgements before you actually read. I've complained about monks. Yes. I will admit that. I am frustrated with them. I needed help with bonecrushers, when Ceren admitted he was using an "annoying" tactic that I couldn't do much about....everything else I've found out for myself.

Some people. Thanks for the help though everyone else.


As you are new I will give you some information. Geb is one of the most fairminded individuals that plays the game. So if he says something, it's possible you should at least read it and think about why he might have said it before going off in an ignorant rant.

A quick search of your name will reveal numerous posts of you complaining about the unfairness of various classes. In the three threads you have started you have practically demanded the following be fixed as they were overpowered in some way or another: Mages, Bards, Monks, Bonecrushers, Monks again

Now, everyone when they're new has trouble adjusting to things and anything you're not familiar with can seem pretty ridiculous when you die to it quickly. What I believe Geb was pointing out is that it is likely that the problem is more with your ability than the classes you are facing. And seeing as a few weeks ago you started a thread about your newbieness, taking offense to that seems a bit silly.
Geb2007-09-21 20:49:53
QUOTE(Bianca @ Sep 21 2007, 08:45 PM) 443408
Then you obviously didn't read a word I said. Nice try though. Love when people jump to look cool of forums instead of actually offereing help. I genuinly didn't know what to do against monks...they are still new. Get over yourself.

It's painfully obvious you make judgements before you actually read. I've complained about monks. Yes. I will admit that. I am frustrated with them. I needed help with bonecrushers, when Ceren admitted he was using an "annoying" tactic that I couldn't do much about....everything else I've found out for myself.

Some people. Thanks for the help though everyone else.


I suggest you go back and read some of your previous posts. There is a general theme among them, which is pretty much, "This class or person I just fought is too powerful for me to handle." Now I was just pointing out that if you have problems with multiple classes that you face and your initial response to those problems are that it is a problem with those classes, then perhaps you should look at yourself and consider the possibility that the problem is with you. You are low level, very inexperienced with Lusternian combat, and yet many times your initial response to a problem you are having with some tactics is to complain about them on the forum. With time and experience many of those very things you come here and complain about being overpowered or impossible to deal with become possible to deal with and actually end up being far minor a nuisance than what your initial impressions of them were.
Desitrus2007-09-21 20:50:00
QUOTE(Catarin @ Sep 21 2007, 03:48 PM) 443420
As you are new I will give you some information. Geb is one of the most fairminded individuals that plays the game. So if he says something, it's possible you should at least read it and think about why he might have said it before going off in an ignorant rant.

A quick search of your name will reveal numerous posts of you complaining about the unfairness of various classes. In the three threads you have started you have practically demanded the following be fixed as they were overpowered in some way or another: Mages, Bards, Monks, Bonecrushers, Monks again

Now, everyone when they're new has trouble adjusting to things and anything you're not familiar with can seem pretty ridiculous when you die to it quickly. What I believe Geb was pointing out is that it is likely that the problem is more with your ability than the classes you are facing. And seeing as a few weeks ago you started a thread about your newbieness, taking offense to that seems a bit silly.


Ghandi you smug bastard, ARE YOU TOO GOOD TO EAT? ARE YOU?

*Desitrus inc. apologizes for the thought that this small joke may incur in the mind, comparing ghandi's benevolent fast to geb's understanding and helpful lusternian combat opinions.
Hazar2007-09-21 21:33:56
OMFG Y DOES TH CUR TIR3DN355?!?!?!?!?666?!
Rakor2007-09-22 00:10:18
Monks still need some sorting out, low level mugwumps are extremely frail, and frailty is bad for a mage or druid.
Unknown2007-09-22 03:03:28
QUOTE(Catarin @ Sep 21 2007, 03:48 PM) 443420
As you are new I will give you some information. Geb is one of the most fairminded individuals that plays the game. So if he says something, it's possible you should at least read it and think about why he might have said it before going off in an ignorant rant.

A quick search of your name will reveal numerous posts of you complaining about the unfairness of various classes. In the three threads you have started you have practically demanded the following be fixed as they were overpowered in some way or another: Mages, Bards, Monks, Bonecrushers, Monks again

Now, everyone when they're new has trouble adjusting to things and anything you're not familiar with can seem pretty ridiculous when you die to it quickly. What I believe Geb was pointing out is that it is likely that the problem is more with your ability than the classes you are facing. And seeing as a few weeks ago you started a thread about your newbieness, taking offense to that seems a bit silly.


Why am I getting jumped on again? I didn't say nerf or OMGOVERPOWERED or anything along those lines. I asked simply what I can do, because I AM new. I don't know what to do when monks aren't hindered by aeon or stun so much. Instead of advice some people essentially said "ignore her lol nub."

And yes I'll admit some, not all, of my posts are out of frustration and are rantish..if not complete rants.
Murphy2007-09-22 03:51:38
QUOTE(Bianca @ Sep 22 2007, 05:45 AM) 443408
Then you obviously didn't read a word I said. Nice try though. Love when people jump to look cool of forums instead of actually offereing help. I genuinly didn't know what to do against monks...they are still new. Get over yourself.

It's painfully obvious you make judgements before you actually read. I've complained about monks. Yes. I will admit that. I am frustrated with them. I needed help with bonecrushers, when Ceren admitted he was using an "annoying" tactic that I couldn't do much about....everything else I've found out for myself.

Some people. Thanks for the help though everyone else.


QUOTE(Bianca @ Sep 22 2007, 01:03 PM) 443485
Why am I getting jumped on again? I didn't say nerf or OMGOVERPOWERED or anything along those lines. I asked simply what I can do, because I AM new. I don't know what to do when monks aren't hindered by aeon or stun so much. Instead of advice some people essentially said "ignore her lol nub."

And yes I'll admit some, not all, of my posts are out of frustration and are rantish..if not complete rants.



Do i really need to say anything? You must have a short attention span, kids watch too much tv these days.
Murphy2007-09-22 03:54:25
QUOTE(Kromsh @ Sep 22 2007, 05:09 AM) 443404
I could provide these, if I wracked my brain long enough, though there wouldn't be many "fighters", if you're talking about people who are extremely good and/or PK a lot. However, I don't think that someone needs to be a "fighter" (in the aforementioned sense) to be able to cure well.
Is the bolded still necessary, with this DMP crap?
Important, yes; I never said they weren't. Necessary? I really don't think so, especially with "a lot of str, arties, experience". You or Geb (as a PB) could probably easily kill the majority of Lusternia's playerbase without using power, I would think.


Str is for the wounding.

And comparing me or geb to the majority of the playerbase isn't fair, the majority of the playerbase is underskilled and under-cured. However, against someone with just a system and letting me wail on them, it's going to take me some time to get the kill on them. If they are hitting me and activley using their offence, then someone with a system and trans skills is going to DEFINITLEY REQUIRE POWERMOVES. You simply need to crush/lunge to get both the extra wounding and the parry/stance/rebonding bypass. Sure i have killed nubcakes (midbies etc, no-one who's a threat) without using crushes, but that's because they didn't even bother to learn combat past parry.

If you want to defeat someone who can parry stance and smoke rebounding and has trans combat (the benchmark for balance is of course trans) Then you better be shelling out some power for your moves or you're gonna be there a long time
Unknown2007-09-22 08:24:54
QUOTE(Murphy @ Sep 21 2007, 10:51 PM) 443492
Do i really need to say anything? You must have a short attention span, kids watch too much tv these days.


You're right. I'll just stop posting on forums. Apprently having any kind of problem offends the Elite minority that seem to think their opinion is the only one that matters around here. Awesome.
Saran2007-09-22 08:40:29
QUOTE(Bianca @ Sep 22 2007, 06:24 PM) 443514
You're right. I'll just stop posting on forums. Apprently having any kind of problem offends the Elite minority that seem to think their opinion is the only one that matters around here. Awesome.


Umn k, most of these people haven't told you to harden up yet so they are being nice.

However when it comes to combat balance it is the opinion of those with experience that carries the most weight, it's not like you are going to take the advice of a freshman programming student over that of an experienced developer (nerd analogies ftw).

If they tell you there are ways to do something then there are, you just haven't learned them yet.
Don't cry nerf, Don't rant, ask for advice, enact that advice, if then you find that they are just impossible then discuss.
Unknown2007-09-22 12:51:40
QUOTE(Murphy @ Sep 21 2007, 11:54 PM) 443493
Str is for the wounding.

And comparing me or geb to the majority of the playerbase isn't fair, the majority of the playerbase is underskilled and under-cured. However, against someone with just a system and letting me wail on them, it's going to take me some time to get the kill on them. If they are hitting me and activley using their offence, then someone with a system and trans skills is going to DEFINITLEY REQUIRE POWERMOVES. You simply need to crush/lunge to get both the extra wounding and the parry/stance/rebonding bypass. Sure i have killed nubcakes (midbies etc, no-one who's a threat) without using crushes, but that's because they didn't even bother to learn combat past parry.

If you want to defeat someone who can parry stance and smoke rebounding and has trans combat (the benchmark for balance is of course trans) Then you better be shelling out some power for your moves or you're gonna be there a long time


I thought comparing you to the majority was quite fair, because it's not like people like you are the only ones who fight.

Oh well...maybe I'm spoiled by pureblade, or maybe I just haven't killed enough people. quiet.gif
Rakor2007-09-22 19:42:33
Bards still need sorting out as well. Celina, I'd recommend posting some logs in the combat logs section, you usually get pretty good feedback there.