It's not that it has died out, it's that we've been told (many times) directly that the admin like the artifacts as-is and envoys trying to get them tweaked downwards anyways.
And yes, I agree. That would be a good thing.
I have never heard the Admin say one thing or another on the subject. If you could, please direct me towards some direct statement made by them on this.
Tael2007-09-30 22:31:36
I'm for nerfing SOME of them, but not into oblivion. The helms, for example, would be an ideal place to start IMO.
Forren2007-09-30 23:23:28
Not too long ago we envoyed a nerf to them - remove the outright huge boosts (+damage, +wounding, etc) and replace it with more utility based things - half melding time for mages, double song time for bards.. things like that. Leave it at "nice" things but don't overly affect combat with the artifacts. Rejected by the administration.
Xavius2007-09-30 23:34:05
QUOTE(Forren @ Sep 30 2007, 06:23 PM) 445541
Not too long ago we envoyed a nerf to them - remove the outright huge boosts (+damage, +wounding, etc) and replace it with more utility based things - half melding time for mages, double song time for bards.. things like that. Leave it at "nice" things but don't overly affect combat with the artifacts. Rejected by the administration.
We did? I'm about to gouge my eyes out looking for where the admin gave their opinions on champion artifacts. A link would make my day.
Shamarah2007-09-30 23:42:11
Pretty sure they just told us that when they rejected a report that included a nerf to champ helms.
Xavius2007-09-30 23:43:53
I've gone through every single envoy news post, and I'm back to May on the wikis.
Really, a link would make for a happy Xavius.
EDIT: Found the wiki, no luck on admin comments. Hrm.
EDITEDIT: Ok, there's the admin comments, but it's not what I was looking for. That was just a "Not now, maybe later" response. There's some admin somewhere who posted at moderate length in defense of their views on champion artifacts as buffs.
Shayle2007-09-30 23:48:46
I thought I read admin comments about the champ helms on the forums, actually.
Still patiently waiting to find out what the hell my Sash does!
Acrune2007-10-01 00:24:32
QUOTE(Forren @ Sep 30 2007, 07:23 PM) 445541
half melding time for mages, double song time for bards
Aren't both of those already in place? I know I have double song time.
Forren2007-10-01 01:27:57
QUOTE(Acrune @ Sep 30 2007, 08:24 PM) 445553
Aren't both of those already in place? I know I have double song time.
We're saying nerf champion mage/bard arties to be -just- that.
Unknown2007-10-01 01:46:20
is there anything honestly stopping a champion from switching their place with one of their novices to run away?
Shamarah2007-10-01 01:47:10
QUOTE(krin1 @ Sep 30 2007, 09:46 PM) 445568
is there anything honestly stopping a champion from switching their place with one of their novices to run away?
No, but you have to spend two hours rubbing cleanse enchantments afterwards to wash out the scent of cheap whore.
Revan2007-10-01 02:19:16
Champ arties should only allow rescue. It's been said over and over again... if someone is really champion material they do not need any boosts or perks because hey, they're already the best, right? I don't see why they won't change that
Unknown2007-10-01 02:59:42
Now how come when I said this I got yelled at...
I haven't come in contact with with many champions..narsrims staff was insane, i don't know how anyone survives that, and saddim as a mugwump could deal out nasty damage...the Grim Horror had blackout which was nice..but really didn't do all that much when I fought him. I mean, with fool, moon, sting, and demon attacks all being masked as it is...an extra diagnose really dosen't change much. I've fought estwald...he didn't whore damage though so I dunno.
Mage champion staff could be fixed...bring it down to the level of things like Grim Horror...nice and useful in their own way, but by no means will it win a fight for you.
Forren2007-10-01 03:16:30
QUOTE(Bianca @ Sep 30 2007, 10:59 PM) 445580
Mage champion staff could be fixed...bring it down to the level of things like Grim Horror...nice and useful in their own way, but by no means will it win a fight for you.
Uh...
Guardian Pets and Helms >>>> Mage Staff
Acrune2007-10-01 03:45:38
QUOTE(krin1 @ Sep 30 2007, 09:46 PM) 445568
is there anything honestly stopping a champion from switching their place with one of their novices to run away?
Thats the kind of thing that once you do, you hear about it for the rest of your life.
Acrune2007-10-01 03:46:34
QUOTE(Revan @ Sep 30 2007, 10:19 PM) 445574
Champ arties should only allow rescue. It's been said over and over again... if someone is really champion material they do not need any boosts or perks because hey, they're already the best, right? I don't see why they won't change that
Because being champion would suck if thats all it was. All it would be is bragging rights.
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