Just for the record you probably have transcendant Magic and Resilience which would reduce the damage outcome (if you were trying to show it did low damage too), which many people don't have.

I fixed that. There shouldn't have been any others- times I wanted to stand, was paralysed. Was just an example of what he did in about.. 40 seconds.



I wouldn't mind you doing that. I suppose.

Yeah.. but we don't balance for inept people. It's like saying warriors are overpowered because you don't have enough skill in Combat to parry.

Most classes get a third of that, you realize. Damage + stun + instakill? Bonecrushers! Mages! Damage + transfix(-ish) + instakill? Blademasters! Stun + affliction rate + instakill? Celestines! Writhe stacks + affliction rate + instakill? Nihilists! Damage + affliction rate + even better affliction rate? Wiccans!

But you see, all these classes can kill with just those things you described. Just because a bard has more options doesn't mean they need nerfing, it just means versitility!
Also, a third? You quoted a list of 6 things for bards, and acrobatics/avoid don't really fit in the same category anyway since they don't actively kill. Math ftw!

You....

Okay, pay attention. Xavius was pointing out how most classes are strong in one area while weak in others. They are capable of winning a certain way(s) but have their limits. Bards just take PvP and shotgun the whole thing with a mess of crap and powerful abilities that they can use at the same time. That's the problem.

Bards aren't "versatile"...they are just good at everything.

*Ahem*
ver·sa·tile (vûr'sə-təl, -tīl')
adj.
Capable of doing many things competently.

You see now why versatile is a good word? You've clearly got some sort of anti-bard bias going on here to get riled up enough to agree with me. Some other points: First, bards can't 'shotgun the whole thing with a mess of crap and powerful abilities that they can use at the same time'. Some of their abilities are powerful; it's the same with any class. At the same time, they can't 'use at the same time' any more than another class. Bards have a few passive afflictions (although most songs don't afflict) and most are either prevented by truehearing or trueblindness. So enough with the exaggeration.

The crux of the issue is this: you consider bards overpowered because of the fact they have multiple avenues to victory. Xavius's point is somewhat valid; some other classes have less options with which to kill. The problem is, this does not, in any way, make them less powerful than bards. If you were to give mages a nice way to deal modest afflictions, would any of them use it? Of course not, because they are more suited to damage kills or instakills. Likewise, what would be the use of a knight who switched their tertiary skill for hexes? These classes have certain routes through which they can make their kills. Bards on the other hand, you say, can kill in so many powerful ways! Honestly, the only ways that actually kill someone are damage kills and the chance of an instakill against an opponent who is sufficiently afflicted (which is itself difficult because of the limited amount and controlability of bard afflictions). As such, it only makes sense that a bard's damage will be strong, while their affliction speed will be high. Otherwise, what chance would they have? If mages could only do 700 damage staffcasts, they'd be pretty pissed off, because it's part of their killing strategy. Same with any other class that needs a certain power to be able to fight effectively.

On a lighter note, transfix is admittedly a bit too powerful, but then again it costs 2 power and has to strip trueblindness first, so what do you expect? Hell, web is useable by anybody with the enchantment and takes no power! Nerf web, I say!

The problem is you can't put sixthsense up for another 20+ seconds after it's stripped.

edit: Nevermind. Bards need to be fixed..not nerfed to Nil. End of story.

Agreed