Bard vs System

by Forren

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Unknown2007-10-15 03:09:51
whats up with yreal??
Acrune2007-10-15 03:14:42
QUOTE(Guest_Yrael_* @ Oct 14 2007, 10:50 PM) 449749
I wish I'd saved that one where you one shotted me from 3600.


I've never, ever one-shotted you. I got you in two hits after you liched once, when I had 17 int and war blessing, before the nerf to high int.

As funny as it is to hear people complain about me specifically, the false information needs to stop when considering balance.
Yrael2007-10-15 08:46:57
QUOTE(Acrune @ Oct 15 2007, 01:14 PM) 449757
I've never, ever one-shotted you. I got you in two hits after you liched once, when I had 17 int and war blessing, before the nerf to high int.

As funny as it is to hear people complain about me specifically, the false information needs to stop when considering balance.


\\At the very least, you took me to 20-30 health.
Unknown2007-10-15 09:16:25
IMO...It's not that transfix is OP, or their damage is OP, or their stun is OP, or their afflictions are OP(even in maelstrom I find their afflictions only a minor annoyance). It's only when they combine ALL these skills into one offense that there is a problem. I've been perma stunned/transfixed..and I think he threw in a web for stacked writhing...NOT NICE.

And Forren brings up an excellent point with Aeon, even with great setup, good curing can laugh at it.
Shiri2007-10-15 09:20:04
No, I think the stun, damage and possibly transfix would be op even on their own. The fact they can do them all makes it even worse. But a stun that lasts longer than the eq it takes to do it is just -wrong-.
Gabranth2007-10-15 11:05:15
Is summon meant to be able to be dodged? Placeus was dodging my summons 80% of the time, seems too effective.
Yrael2007-10-15 11:22:04
In one of my recent playtimes with him (shortly before he dumped two glamours afflictions before I got hammer balance back, ugh, slow it down some, maybe? Pleeassee?) He dodged one tackle, and that was it. It's fairly random.
Placeus2007-10-15 11:39:51
QUOTE(Gabranth @ Oct 15 2007, 08:35 PM) 449831
Is summon meant to be able to be dodged? Placeus was dodging my summons 80% of the time, seems too effective.


QUOTE(Yrael)
He dodged one tackle, and that was it. It's fairly random.


It wasn't acrobatics dodging, it was acrobatics avoidance. tongue.gif

From my P.o.V.

3576h, 4321m, 3560e, 9p exkb<>-
You tense your muscles with the sinuous grace of a predator, prepared to avoid any incoming blows.
ON_DEF: avoid
3576h, 4321m, 3560e, 9p ekb<>-
Sensing the attack, you dodge aside at the last moment.
OFF_DEF: avoid
3576h, 4396m, 3635e, 9p ekb<>-REFLECTION
weave reflection at me

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3576h, 4396m, 3635e, 9p exkb<>-
You weave a glamour and mold it until it becomes a reflection of yourself.
ON_DEF: reflection
3576h, 4346m, 3635e, 9p xkb<>-
The light of Holy Celestia surrounds you as blessed Elohora judges the unworthy.
3576h, 4346m, 3635e, 9p xkb<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3576h, 4346m, 3635e, 9p exkb<>-
The song of an angelic choir fills the air with a blazing white light.
qw
3576h, 4346m, 3635e, 10p exkb<>-
Callus, Deluril, Gabranth.
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p exkb<>-TARGETTING: yrael
unally yrael
enemy yrael

Yrael Carthan, Antediluvian Shade is not currently an ally.
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p exkb<>-
Yrael is already an enemy.
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p exkb<>-
The light of Holy Celestia surrounds you as blessed Methrenton judges the unworthy.
ql
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p exkb<>-
The Mountains of Madness.
Filling the firmament is a lattice of heavy grey clouds. A noble pegasus stamps one reflective hoof, his gossamer wings flipping impatiently.
You see exits leading west and down.
gl w
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p exkb<>-
The Mountains of Madness.
Filling the firmament is a lattice of heavy grey clouds. You see exits leading east and down.
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p xkb<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
gl d
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p exkb<>-
The Mountains of Madness.
Filling the firmament is a lattice of heavy grey clouds. A decaying gargoyle perches on the rock, twitching its tattered wings spasmodically.
You see exits leading up and down.
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p xkb<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p exkb<>-
The song of an angelic choir fills the air with a blazing white light.
avoid
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p exkb<>-
You tense your muscles with the sinuous grace of a predator, prepared to avoid any incoming blows.
ON_DEF: avoid
3576h, 4421m, 3710e, 10p ekb<>-
Gabranth2007-10-15 11:43:56
Like bards need a version of timeslip...
Placeus2007-10-15 11:48:08
It's a bit different to timeslip in that you lose it if you take any aggressive action. When you were trying to summon me I was doing nothing but sitting there refraining my songs and putting it back up.
Unknown2007-10-15 11:51:54
QUOTE(Placeus @ Oct 15 2007, 06:48 AM) 449837
It's a bit different to timeslip in that you lose it if you take any aggressive action. When you were trying to summon me I was doing nothing but sitting there refraining my songs and putting it back up.


Bards are also different from Guardians in that you have passive offense in your songs/room effects/etc.. Granted, you won't make it too far in a one-on-one fight without some active offense, but you could conceivably just stand there and whore avoidance and be virtually unkillable while still getting some simple passive afflictions on your enemy.

I still think avoidance will be okay once the other problems with bards are fixed. They are supposed to be skilled at dodging and escaping; so long as they have to sacrifice the important part of their offense for it, I don't mind avoidance.
Placeus2007-10-15 12:12:18
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Oct 15 2007, 09:21 PM) 449838
Bards are also different from Guardians in that you have passive offense in your songs/room effects/etc.. Granted, you won't make it too far in a one-on-one fight without some active offense, but you could conceivably just stand there and whore avoidance and be virtually unkillable while still getting some simple passive afflictions on your enemy.

I still think avoidance will be okay once the other problems with bards are fixed. They are supposed to be skilled at dodging and escaping; so long as they have to sacrifice the important part of their offense for it, I don't mind avoidance.


From my experience, avoidance (I think you mean our passive skill, dodging) doesn't seem to have a great deal of effect. With great/splendour robes, it seldom fires.

The other skill, avoid, is really just a duplicate of reflection. If an opponent hits either one of these, I gain no advantage from waiting for them to hit the other one. I don't really think it's conceivable to stand there behind avoid/reflection whilst passive afflicts hit your opponent. If I have colourmaelstrom and rainbowpattern stuck on someone, and go passive, they'll eat faeleaf and get 2 random, unmasked and easily cured afflictions every 12-13 seconds.

Compare that to a guardian's pet who can deliver 2 semi-masked afflictions at a much faster rate.

Don't really know what my point is here. Just don't want people to think that bards have super dodging in addition to their offense.
Yrael2007-10-15 12:29:59
The Mountains of Madness.
Filling the firmament is a lattice of heavy grey clouds. Spanning from from
horizon to horizon, the mountains rise and fall like jagged, rotting teeth. The
crumbling rocks are the colour of lurid bruises, black, blue and purpling,
pocked with deep wormy holes. Overhead is a pulsating red sky filled with
rolling, shadowy clouds that unleash black lightning and rain down clumps of
ash. The shrieks and ravings of tortured souls gibber upon the winds that roar
through the jagged peaks. A noble pegasus stamps one reflective hoof, his
gossamer wings flipping impatiently. Placeus is here, shrouded. He wields a
magic tome in his left hand and a lustrous violin of starry onyx in his right.
You see exits leading west and down.
3468h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w elrxkb-
tackle placeus d

At the last moment, Placeus dodges nimbly aside.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w lrxkb-

You hear the faint sound of a hissing snake emanate from a dark crevice.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w lrxkb-

Placeus weaves his hands towards you and light erupts into fascinating patterns
that overwhelm your senses.
UNDEF sixthsense
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w lrxk-
writhe
outr faeleaf
eat faeleaf

Placeus takes a drink from a jade vial.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w lrxk-
tackle placeus d

The song of an angelic choir fills the air with a blazing white light.
You find you must cover your eyes and drop to your knees.
You begin to writhe helplessly, throwing your body off balance.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w lrkbp-

You remove 1 faeleaf, bringing the total in the Rift to 110.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w lrkbp-

You eat a stalk of faeleaf.
CURED blindness
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w lrkp-
tackle placeus d

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w lrkp-

You have recovered equilibrium.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w elrkp-
tackle placeus d

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16078en, 16848w elrkp-

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrkp-
tackle placeus d

Placeus weaves his hands towards you and light erupts into fascinating patterns
that overwhelm your senses.
A dazzling orange afterimage burns into your sight.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrkp-
tackle placeus d
writhe

You may eat or smoke another herb.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrkp-
tackle placeus d

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrkp-

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrxkp-

Placeus reads a scroll.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrxkp-

You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrxkp-
tackle placeus d

You begin trying to wrest your mind free of that which has transfixed it.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrkp-

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrkp-
tackle placeus d

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrkp-

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrkp-

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16862w elrxkp-
tackle placeus d

Placeus weaves a glamour of radiant prismatic colours, dazzling you with a burst
of emerald green iridescence and incandescent blue striations.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 10p, 16088en, 16862w elrxkp-
focus mind
outr kombu
eat kombu
sip health

You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 10p, 16088en, 16862w elrxkp-

You continue trying to wrest your mind free.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 10p, 16088en, 16862w elrxkp-

You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
CURED recklessness
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16787w elrxkp-

You remove 1 kombu, bringing the total in the Rift to 99.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16787w elrxkp-

You eat kombu seaweed.
CURED epilepsy
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16787w elrxkp-

You take a drink from an onyx vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16088en, 16787w elrxkp-
diag

Placeus weaves a glamour of radiant prismatic colours, dazzling you with a burst
of bright yellow flashes, lustrous violet swirls, and vibrant orange hues.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16108en, 16801w elrxkp-
apply melancholic to head

The light of Holy Celestia surrounds you as blessed Japhiel judges the unworthy.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16108en, 16801w elrxkp-

Your mind is able to focus once again.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16108en, 16801w elrxkp-
diag
focus mind

You are far too selfish to throw anything away like that.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16108en, 16801w elrxkp-

You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your head.
CURED dizziness
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16108en, 16801w elrxkp-

You continue trying to wrest your mind free.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16108en, 16801w elrxkp-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16108en, 16801w elrxkp-
outr pennyroyal
eat pennyroyal

"The voices! The voices! Get them out of my head!!" you moan, holding your head
in pain.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 7p, 16108en, 16801w elrxkp-

You have writhed free of your state of transfixion.
3630h, 3602m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16801w elrxkp-
crush placeus head

You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
CURED hallucinations
3630h, 3352m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16726w elrxkp-
focus mind

You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 90.
3630h, 3352m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16726w elrxkp-

You find yourself unwilling to eat while this music is playing.
3630h, 3352m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16726w elrxkp-
outr pennyroyal
eat pennyroyal

You may apply another salve to yourself.
3630h, 3352m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16726w elrxkp-

Placeus weaves a glamour of radiant prismatic colours, dazzling you with a burst
of bright yellow flashes and vibrant orange hues.
3630h, 3352m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16726w elrxkp-

You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3630h, 3352m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16726w elrxkp-

You concentrate, but your mind is too tired to focus.
3630h, 3102m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16651w elrxkp-
diag

You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 89.
3630h, 3102m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16651w elrxkp-

You find yourself unwilling to eat while this music is playing.
3630h, 3102m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16651w elrxkp-
outr pennyroyal
eat pennyroyal

Your mind is able to focus once again.
3630h, 3102m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16651w elrxkp-
focus mind

You are:
AFF afterimage
AFF prone
AFF dementia
AFF stupidity
DEF insomnia
3630h, 3423m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16665w lrxkp-
crush placeus chest

You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 88.
3630h, 3423m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16665w lrxkp-

You find yourself unwilling to eat while this music is playing.
3630h, 3423m, 3630e, 8p, 16108en, 16665w lrxkp-
outr pennyroyal
eat pennyroyal

You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3630h, 3423m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16665w lrxkp-

You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
CURED stupidity
3630h, 3173m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w lrxkp-
sip mana

Placeus weaves a glamour of radiant prismatic colours, dazzling you with a burst
of vibrant orange hues, emerald green iridescence, and bright yellow flashes.
3630h, 3173m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w lrxkp-
crush placeus chest

You have recovered equilibrium.
3630h, 3173m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrxkp-
stand

You are far too selfish to throw anything away like that.
3630h, 3173m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrxkp-

The song of an angelic choir fills the air with a blazing white light.
You find you must cover your eyes and drop to your knees.
3630h, 3173m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-

You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 87.
3630h, 3173m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-

You find yourself unwilling to eat while this music is playing.
3630h, 3173m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-
crush placeus chest
outr pennyroyal
eat pennyroyal

You down the last drop from an onyx vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-

Your mind is whirling with thoughts - you cannot settle down to sleep.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-

Placeus empties out a jade vial into his mouth.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-

Placeus reads a scroll.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-
crush placeus chest

There is no exit in that direction.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-

You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 86.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-

You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
CURED dementia
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrkp-

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrxkp-
stand
crush placeus chest

Your mind is able to focus once again.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrxkp-
focus mind

You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrxkp-
crush placeus chest

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrxk-

You drop to one knee, demonstrating your humility and respect.
3630h, 3830m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16590w elrxk-
crush placeus chest

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
CURED stupidity
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 8p, 16118en, 16515w elrxk-

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Placeus with a colossal brutish hammer. You
viciously crush his ribs, forcing him to grimace in pain.
Horror overcomes Placeus's face as his body stiffens into paralysis.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 6p, 16093en, 16515w elxk-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 6p, 16093en, 16515w elxk-
outr kombu
eat kombu
crush placeus chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Placeus with a colossal brutish hammer. You
viciously crush his ribs, forcing him to grimace in pain.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16070en, 16515w exk-

Your limbs begin to jerk and shake uncontrollably, and you begin to foam at the
mouth.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16070en, 16515w ek-

You remove 1 kombu, bringing the total in the Rift to 98.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16070en, 16515w ek-

You eat kombu seaweed.
CURED epilepsy
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16070en, 16529w ek-

Your left arm is off balance.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16070en, 16529w ek-

Your mind is able to focus once again.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w ek-
crush placeus chest

You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
You have recovered balance on your right arm.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w erk-
crush placeus chest

You may eat or smoke another herb.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w erk-
diag

You have recovered balance on your left arm.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w elrk-

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w elrxk-

The light of Holy Celestia surrounds you as blessed Elohora judges the unworthy.
"And recall the glory the world has lost." sings Placeus, tragically playing a
lustrous violin of starry onyx with a mournful thrum, and he looks directly at
you.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w elrxkp-
diag

Frustratingly, your body won't respond to your call to action.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w elrxkp-
focus body

You are paralysed and cannot do that.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w elrxkp-

You are:
AFF afterimage
AFF paralysis
DEF insomnia
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w lrxkp-

You must regain equilibrium first.
3630h, 3580m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16529w lrxkp-

You begin focusing your mind on your motor skills.
3630h, 3330m, 3630e, 4p, 16080en, 16454w lrxkp-

You have recovered equilibrium.
3630h, 3330m, 3630e, 5p, 16080en, 16454w elrxkp-
d

You are paralysed and cannot do that.
3630h, 3330m, 3630e, 5p, 16100en, 16460w elrxkp-
crush placeus chest

CURED paralysis
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 5p, 16100en, 16460w elrxk-
crush placeus chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Placeus with a colossal brutish hammer. You
thump his chest weakly.
Horror overcomes Placeus's face as his body stiffens into paralysis.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16075en, 16460w elxk-

Placeus jumps aside, avoiding your blow.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16075en, 16460w lk-

The song of an angelic choir fills the air with a blazing white light.
You find you must cover your eyes and drop to your knees.
Clasping his hands to his breast, Placeus sings to you, wishing you well on your
journey to the Halls of the Fates. A white light surrounds him as the voices of
an angelic choir join him in this somber hymn.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16075en, 16460w lkp-
crush placeus chest

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16075en, 16460w lkp-

You have recovered equilibrium.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16075en, 16466w elkp-
crush placeus chest

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16085en, 16466w elkp-

You have recovered balance on your right arm.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16085en, 16466w elrkp-
tackle placeus d

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16085en, 16466w elrxkp-
stand

You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16085en, 16466w elrxkp-

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16085en, 16466w elrxk-
tackle placeus d

You tackle the legs of Placeus, and attempt to carry him off to the down.
You succeed and carry him, knocking him to the ground.
The Mountains of Madness.
Filling the firmament is a lattice of heavy grey clouds. Spanning from from
horizon to horizon, the mountains rise and fall like jagged, rotting teeth. The
crumbling rocks are the colour of lurid bruises, black, blue and purpling,
pocked with deep wormy holes. Overhead is a pulsating red sky filled with
rolling, shadowy clouds that unleash black lightning and rain down clumps of
ash. The shrieks and ravings of tortured souls gibber upon the winds that roar
through the jagged peaks. Placeus is here, shrouded. He wields a magic tome in
his left hand and a lustrous violin of starry onyx in his right.
You see exits leading up and down.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16083en, 16466w elrkp-
crush placeus chest

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16093en, 16472w elrkp-
crush placeus chest
crush placeus chest

The light of Holy Celestia surrounds you as blessed Shakiniel judges the
unworthy.
You begin feeling slightly flushed.
The dazzling afterimage fades from your vision.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16093en, 16472w elrkp-
outr faeleaf
eat faeleaf
crush placeus chest

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16093en, 16472w elrkp-

You must regain balance first.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16093en, 16472w elrkp-

You remove 1 faeleaf, bringing the total in the Rift to 109.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 3p, 16093en, 16472w elrkp-

You eat a stalk of faeleaf.
You begin to concentrate on the sixth sense...
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You must regain balance first.
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Your vision is flooded with light, and your face suddenly reddens.
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You have recovered balance on all limbs.
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stand
maneuver perform wind placeus gut

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 4p, 16093en, 16472w elrxk-
maneuver perform wind placeus gut

You execute the Wind maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS GUT.
Focusing on his gut, you strike at Placeus with a colossal brutish hammer. You
tap him in the stomach with little effect.
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Your vision is flooded with light, and your face suddenly reddens.
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 4p, 16068en, 16472w elxk-

You execute the Wind maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS GUT.
Focusing on his gut, you strike at Placeus with a colossal brutish hammer. You
tap him in the stomach with little effect.
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Placeus takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his chest.
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You may eat or smoke another herb.
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maneuver perform wind placeus gut

In a swift, fluid motion, Placeus springs up from his hands to land crouched on
his feet.
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maneuver perform wind placeus gut

You execute the Wind maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS GUT.
Your left arm is off balance.
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Hmmmm. Why must everything be so difficult to figure out?
3630h, 3651m, 3630e, 4p, 16045en, 16472w exk-

Placeus weaves his hands towards you and light erupts into fascinating patterns
that overwhelm your senses.
A dazzling orange afterimage burns into your sight.
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You execute the Wind maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS GUT.
Your left arm is off balance.
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Dazzling lights flash across your vision, leaving you with a fading orange
afterimage.
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Placeus takes a drink from an opal vial.
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maneuver perform chest placeus chest
maneuver perform chest placeus chest

You realize that your heroic actions can no longer continue unnoticed, and you
take it upon yourself to rectify the situation.
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The song of an angelic choir fills the air with a blazing white light.
You find you must cover your eyes and drop to your knees.
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You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
Your left arm is off balance.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 4p, 16055en, 16478w ekp-
maneuver perform chest placeus chest

You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
Your left arm is off balance.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 4p, 16055en, 16478w ekp-

You have recovered balance on your right arm.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 4p, 16055en, 16478w erkp-
maneuver perform chest placeus chest

You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
You must regain balance first.
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You have recovered balance on your left arm.
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A prickly stinging overcomes your body, fading away into numbness.
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You have recovered balance on all limbs.
maneuver perform chest placeus chest
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 4p, 16055en, 16478w elrxkp-

You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 4p, 16055en, 16478w elrxkp-
maneuver perform chest placeus chest

You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
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Placeus appears to play a lustrous violin of starry onyx, but you hear no sound.
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maneuver perform chest placeus chest

Your mind swims as dizziness overtakes you.
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maneuver perform chest placeus chest
maneuver perform chest placeus chest

You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 4p, 16055en, 16478w elrxkp-

You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 4p, 16055en, 16478w elrxkp-

You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3630h, 3852m, 3630e, 4p, 16055en, 16478w elrxkp-
maneuver perform chest placeus chest

You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
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Your limbs grow heavy and you groan feebly.
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Placeus plays a lustrous violin of starry onyx and directs the disharmonic notes
towards you.
The reverberating sound echoes through your head, pounding you with excruciating
pain.
You scream in pain as a burst of white holy flame envelops you.
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sip health

You execute the Chest maneuver: STRIKE PLACEUS CHEST.
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
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You take a drink from an onyx vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
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You feel ugliness radiating from you.
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Your limbs grow heavy and you groan feebly.
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diag

Placeus plays a lustrous violin of starry onyx and directs the disharmonic notes
towards you.
The reverberating sound echoes through your head, pounding you with excruciating
pain.
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You are:
AFF afterimage
AFF transfixed
AFF prone
DEF insomnia
AFF hypochondria
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outr wormwood
eat wormwood

The song that Placeus was performing fades away.
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You feel a tightening sensation grow in your lungs.
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apply melancholic to chest

You have recovered equilibrium.
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You remove 1 wormwood, bringing the total in the Rift to 396.
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You eat a wormwood stem.
CURED hypochondria
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crush placeus chest

You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your chest.
The salve has no discernable effect.
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Placeus weaves his hands towards you and light erupts into fascinating patterns
that overwhelm your senses.
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crush placeus chest

You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
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crush placeus chest

You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
362h, 3852m, 3630e, 5p, 16085en, 16490w elrxkp-

Placeus takes a drink from an opal vial.
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You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
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sip health
crush placeus chest

You may eat or smoke another herb.
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You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
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You take a drink from an onyx vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
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crush placeus chest

You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
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crush placeus chest

You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
987h, 3852m, 3630e, 5p, 16085en, 16490w elrxkp-

Placeus plays a lustrous violin of starry onyx and directs the disharmonic notes
towards you.
The reverberating sound echoes through your head, pounding you with excruciating
pain.
As the sound builds up and explodes within your head, you die screaming in pain.
You have been slain by Placeus.
A bunch of pennyroyal falls out of your inventory.
A bunch of pennyroyal falls out of your inventory.
A bunch of pennyroyal falls out of your inventory.
A bunch of pennyroyal falls out of your inventory.
A swirling force begins to tug at your soul and the world spins around you.
You do - sometimes. It's fairly random. Not to mention that tripleflash is basically "leave and dodge them afflicting you for 20 seconds."
Unknown2007-10-15 12:30:15
QUOTE(Placeus @ Oct 15 2007, 07:12 AM) 449844
From my experience, avoidance (I think you mean our passive skill, dodging) doesn't seem to have a great deal of effect. With great/splendour robes, it seldom fires.

The other skill, avoid, is really just a duplicate of reflection. If an opponent hits either one of these, I gain no advantage from waiting for them to hit the other one. I don't really think it's conceivable to stand there behind avoid/reflection whilst passive afflicts hit your opponent. If I have colourmaelstrom and rainbowpattern stuck on someone, and go passive, they'll eat faeleaf and get 2 random, unmasked and easily cured afflictions every 12-13 seconds.

Compare that to a guardian's pet who can deliver 2 semi-masked afflictions at a much faster rate.

Don't really know what my point is here. Just don't want people to think that bards have super dodging in addition to their offense.


I meant avoid, not avoidance. For the record, robes make absolutely no difference, they work just as well as leather.

The guardian has to spend power to get 2 semi-masked afflictions, and that only lasts for a short time. Your offense will be shut down if you use avoid/reflect, but you will also be basically immune. There is nothing the other person can really do to hurt you; you get the free time to cure while their offense doesn't hit you - unless they can do multiple attacks in a round. I don't think that it will be a big problem once the other things get changed, but it is pretty powerful and annoying, especially for 2-handed warriors.
Placeus2007-10-15 12:59:32
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Oct 15 2007, 10:00 PM) 449850
I meant avoid, not avoidance. For the record, robes make absolutely no difference, they work just as well as leather.

The guardian has to spend power to get 2 semi-masked afflictions, and that only lasts for a short time. Your offense will be shut down if you use avoid/reflect, but you will also be basically immune. There is nothing the other person can really do to hurt you; you get the free time to cure while their offense doesn't hit you - unless they can do multiple attacks in a round. I don't think that it will be a big problem once the other things get changed, but it is pretty powerful and annoying, especially for 2-handed warriors.


And the bard would have to spend a total of 7 power to get the passive afflictions I listed onto you. 9 power if they want you without sixthsense for any appreciable length of time.

I'm not sure a bard has or ever will successfully use avoid and reflect to the ends that you're suggesting. I've yet to find a class that isn't able to make me regret avoid/reflecting instead of running. And I need to run a lot!
Unknown2007-10-15 13:06:27
QUOTE(Placeus @ Oct 15 2007, 07:59 AM) 449861
And the bard would have to spend a total of 7 power to get the passive afflictions I listed onto you. 9 power if they want you without sixthsense for any appreciable length of time.

I'm not sure a bard has or ever will successfully use avoid and reflect to the ends that you're suggesting. I've yet to find a class that isn't able to make me regret avoid/reflecting instead of running. And I need to run a lot!


Fight a 2-handed warrior. They can't touch you.

You're right that bards would need more power, simply because they are using room effects. Acrobatics avoid is still much more powerful than timeslip in my experience, not the least of which is because it is stackable with reflection. Unless it has been fixed, it also interrupts monk katas, which means our offense basically dies if you use it a lot.
Forren2007-10-15 16:05:38
QUOTE(Yrael @ Oct 15 2007, 08:29 AM) 449849
Log


Bunch of curing problems that I noticed.
Ildaudid2007-10-15 16:23:15
Problem is if you removed alot of the bardic dodging/avoiding it would make them too squishy. (except for kephera, which need to be fixed still tongue.gif)

I can 2 shot Estwald and kill him, as long as I hit him 2 times in a row. Now I couldn't do this to Narsrim when he was a kephera bard. I think it boils down to extremes, kephera bards are still tanks, giving up mugwump speed, while mugwump bards are super squishy, relying on the avoidance, dodge and other skills to stay alive long enough to get you.
Unknown2007-10-15 16:28:13
QUOTE(Forren @ Oct 15 2007, 11:05 AM) 449924
Bunch of curing problems that I noticed.


You are officially the new Ixion.

QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Oct 15 2007, 11:23 AM) 449937
Problem is if you removed alot of the bardic dodging/avoiding it would make them too squishy. (except for kephera, which need to be fixed still tongue.gif)

I can 2 shot Estwald and kill him, as long as I hit him 2 times in a row. Now I couldn't do this to Narsrim when he was a kephera bard. I think it boils down to extremes, kephera bards are still tanks, giving up mugwump speed, while mugwump bards are super squishy, relying on the avoidance, dodge and other skills to stay alive long enough to get you.


As a kephera monk, I am not all that tanky at all. Granted, I'm not an acrobat, but it's still not nearly as bad as it used to be. I have around 3900 health, and even with monk defs and splendour robes, Krellan, most bards, and several warriors can kill me in 2-3 shots/combos.
Ildaudid2007-10-15 16:31:02
Thought we were talking bout bards though, not monks sad.gif Monks who are not acrobatic kepheran won't be under the same situations. Kepheran bards with acrobats will dodge alot, then also be able to serpent when needed, and in the meantime can hit with a much more debilitating offense (IMO) which can cause you to die quicker than a kepheran monk.