Nah not really, good curing can get hemmed up by that also, especially if there is more than one person doing the jumping (which is usually the case). But thanks for coming out.

Ok, thanks for all the input!

EDIT: 20 posts isn't enough for novice forum rank! Madness!

They're weak to magic...

But Absinthe + Inner Worm = insane health in Dreamform anyway.

Let me put it this way - I can identify what major system someone is using within about ten seconds into the fight.

Some systems just suck with telepathy.

Well that is nice to know, but I thought this was a thread about dreamweaving, not how quick forren can identify systems and how well they cure telepathy. Maybe I am wrong though, but I don't see how it is relevant to dreamweaving. Telepathy allows a mage the whoring of skills in a skillset without having to combine them with a demense, while dreamweaving isn't as easy to whore without use of a demense.

You can PvP with psionics/telepathy/telekinetics outside of your demense 100x better than doing so with Dreamweaving. I don't think you can dispute this. It has nothing to do with a system or someones healing. It has to do with the skills in psionics and their specializations provided being much better stand alone skills than in dreamweaving.

I don't think Ildaudid meant it this way, but don't get confused: you cannot time embedded dream motes with your demesne. There is a random few second delay upon embedding a mote, which makes timing impossible.

As a dreamweaving druid, I can say that I enjoy the skill set a lot. Plenty of fun utility abilities (sneaking into places, illusions). Also, you can go into a fight with your group, in dreamform, and start putting the enemy to sleep, or sap health to add onto the damage. This is relatively safe, as drinking absinthe gives you a pretty insane amount of health, and while in dreamform you regenerate very quickly, and only certain people can see/hit you.

What Ildaudid means, I believe, is that you can time the tossing of your motes with your demesne for deadly effects. Blacking someone out just before your demesne hits means they will not see some, or all, of the effects that just hit them.

Dreamweaving can certainly be amazing, and yes for a mage.

If you're a Geomancer, the knockdown, stun, an embedded epilepsy mote, thrown in with daydreaming/pacification tosses in between your deepsleeps should allow you enough time (staying alive) to get anyone passing out from exhaustion. On the flip side you have the curing aspects of the Aquamancer demesne and it all basically comes down to staying alive until you deepsleep them enough.

Deepsleep is the best ability in Lusternia, by far. Once you get someone passing out consistantly from being tired, narcolepsy, and a run of the mill "slumber" attack to strip kafe... inside your demesne... you can't really lose 1 on 1 to anybody.

Unless they have trueheal

Dreamweaving is good for a mage if you control the demesne, but that's about it. I remember being able to pull off 100% masked chasms as Gerald, or pretty damn close to full-masked chasms. If you don't have demesne control, then psionics is infinitely better.

Then again, this was over a year ago

But I made my own system, so you'll be clueless! And seriously, paralysis + stupidity stops some major systems? If that's the case they shouldn't be major systems.

Also, are there village defenses that prevent dreambodies from moving? And eye sigils, do they affect dreambodies too? Because it would be bad for an unskilled dreamweaver who enters a village in dreamform, then can't get out again.

That's what bodysnap is for.

I'm really having to think through the implications of a geomancer dreamweaver, because it's very different from how you run a blacktalon dreamweaver. Will have more comment later. We'll get you to novice posting yet!

EDIT: Also, remember that a lot of a geomancer demesne causes damage, and damage wakes up sleeping people. Sure, if they're completed exhausted or narcolepsy fires they'll go back to sleep, but good to remember.

Or if you have a mindblast that outpaces sipping, but thankfully that's much less common nowadays.

Geomancer dreamweavers wouldn't have any real way of stripping kafe anyhow so this doesn't matter much.

Doesn't a regular sleep-inducing attack (like slumber for instance) strip kafe from people who are already sleeping?

This also brings up a question for me: if someone's kafe defense is stripped, and they are afflicted with something that has a kafe cure, will it cure first or redo the defense first?

Also, undoing could very well strip kafe if my first assumption was incorrect.

Yes, but since they have kafe, they should wake right back up before you can use it again.

if you're trying to trigger off narcolepsy, then it really just depends on connections speeds. So let's hope you live close to the server! (pacific coast helps!)

I'm thinking if I could get stun to hit at the same time as narcolepsy for instance, then there could be enough time to strip kafe before stun wears off. It's a pretty luck-based scenario, though. But, if I have undoing embedded that might pull of a lucky kafe strip as well.

EDIT: Woo! Novice!