This I find kind of wierd, none you would give it to? So people in your guild are not allowed to run for GC unless you tell them it is ok? If that is the case Laysus, that is kind of wierd. I mean in Ur'Guard, if we want to run for GC and have the GR and passed our knighthood trials. (And yeah I considered the Ur'Guard one of the hardest guilds to be "knighted" in.) We just have to ask a GM or GA for them to back us and we could run without the GC's permission.

Now, if you don't participate in at least defending every time you are raided while online, then you should pass the torch on, since I think you may not be doing a good service for your guild as a non-defending GC. But ya, passing the torch to the people who will grow into the job is a good thing, and it also keeps the young people striving for something.

I am not saying you are a bad person/GC or anything, but it just seems wierd that they have to be approved by you, and that there can be no vote of no confidence.

That's not what he's saying. He means he doesn't want to step down, not that he wouldn't let someone contest him (which they really should be doing on their own given his performance.) Of course, Derian's post still applies.

For your information, any of those requirements other than "GR3" in the Ur'guard are invalid. The Divine have specifically posted that this is the case. You're not allowed to get in the way for any such reasons.

Ethelon explained it to me once, I think they work off the idea of you can technically, but you shouldn't without support from leadership and if you do it reflects badly on you within the guild. Which it would anyway if you contested without support of at least one guild leader.

Doesn't really matter if the contestant has the support of a guild leader. What the entire guild wants is all that matters and Shiri is right. I had to have the Paladin rules adjusted due to that. We used to enforce the GR5 requirement for contesting.

I don't exactly support it, Geomancers had to change laws over same thing. That is partially mag culture too i think.

Yes I am aware of the Divine requirements. And they are followed. But divine requirements do not demand that we vote for someone who is not worthy of the job they are contesting for. Divine requirements are there only so they are not booted out of a guild during an election FOR contesting. But as the RP of the Ur'Guard is, or at least used to be, we do not vote for people who cannot bother to pass their trials, or people who have not earned a sufficient rank in the guild, no matter if they contest or not. So basically we are not getting in the way at all, but we do not let inept people in positions of power just because they can contest at GR3.

Did the Geos finally remove that law? I got a lot of trouble for trying to run before I had completed a path.



This has always annoyed me. The point of the divine mandate wasn't just so that you change your laws and keep doing the same thing anyway. None of those requirements mean anything. There shouldn't even be any pressure to get approval from a GO or be knighted. If the person is GR3 and has none of those things but would make a great officer anyway, they should be able to get votes without the pressure against them. Imagine someone like Murphy wanted to run for GC but hadn't gone through the requirements to be knighted. Does that mean that he could not make a good champion?

If someone would make a bad champion, they simply won't get the votes. There's no need to put in extra pressures and regulations to make sure they won't get the votes; if they are idiots, they just won't.

Aha! Yes I agree with you there, if they were GR3 AND would be a good leader. We would just vote for them, but even if they are GR3 they will normally, speak to the GM GC or GA about contesting, that way one of them would post a "support" post for them as well. Even GR19s ask someone for a support post. So yeah, if they have the qualifications and haven't passed the trials. (And honestly, the last people to be truly knighted for passing the trials we had were Karagan and Myself) So I know alot of people haven't done trials, and since part of a trial has to do with the catacombs, they can't until the admin fixes the catacombs. But you're right in that fact, if they deserve it they can run.

It's not so much that I don't enjoy all the duties - I'm fine with teaching people, individual combat, defending my guildmates and suchlike, I just find being raided and the inevitable defense somewhat oppressive. Furthermore, even if I weren't champion I wouldn't be able to take Laysus out of defense because it's an integral part of who he is.

Also, Ildaudid - my reluctance to step down is mainly due to RP of potential candidates - I don't want to see someone who takes the position being in it just for the combat and not what makes a Moondancer. Plus the Moondancers who have stepped down have typically put forwards successors in the elections, among the other candidates.

And Nejii, I'm not that bad so be nice. I'm just not as good as some have been.

Don't worry, I think there are definitely worse.

Well with the ascendancy system coming along it sounds very much your trying a 'king of the hill' conflict with some flavor.

Why not make 'capture the flag' for example: celest much capture magnagoras secret weapon of doom, in order to bring it back to celestia and destroy it.

And to make the griefers go away, make the loosing team get rewarded but not as much as the winning team. Each kill you make during the event of opposing faction you gain 2000 gold in bounty or herbs/elixirs will be resupplied? and the winning team wins X amount of gold for completing it

note these are very rough idea... (if someone whines that 2000 gold each kill would make you kill novices, there's always options for that, that discussing is irrelevant here, cause there's ways around it)...

I like CTF always works in most games, King of hill is good too, Why not implant a team death match in the realm, example: seeks for hunger, those bringing me dead peoples head will be richly rewarded.

And there's always the 'domination' game type too, control most points for each time and you win. (i havn't been here long enough to participated in wildnodes, but sounds like its a version of it)

I think there could be no 'punishment's' like loosing 100k cause thats what it costs to build a construct, instead make it just make it a reduced reward. ( in constructs case, I dunno what to do, but.. in general sense)

hope that made any sence (i myself had a blast when i started playing, shellma on like the second day or so, sooo much conflict, then like next week a major raid.. it kind of slowly subsided tho)

I like to add.. I think the problem is in the reward, people dont want to raid cause they loose stuff without ever winning something personaly, you might set back the oppositions faction or help the guild alittle, but what have you, yourself realy gained?.. and what would be the price to recover from it, days bashing, harvesting?

we have ctf. It has very nice rewards for all participants generally. Assuming that if you participate you get a score. It's called wildnodes. Check the helpfile. I wanna take down the Terentia shrine up there cause they're the only org that actually uses shrine powers consistently, but there's not much of an rp provocation for it besides loose excuse reasons.

I donno...

Using the thought of wildnodes to dust a shrine sounds about as loose as using the shrine to protect said nodes, and enemying people so they can use said shrine to protect said nodes, only for the duration of said node period.

Oh I know it's lame. The excuse would be something like they're cities and our order is anti cities and whatnot. It is really lame to enemy just to get shrine powers to affect too. I know Charune forbids it, which is just another of many reasons I like His Order. Same with the whole I'm enemying you cause you're fighting us in territories that we're enemied to! I.e. Celest is raiding Nil and if you're not a Mag you can't be there and jump them! It's comparable to Celestians bashing shallach and getting jumped by a glom or Seren and then enemying them. The only difference is that one is raiding and the other is bashing.

You really shouldn't generalize, Krellan. I've heard of players being enemied for the silliest reasons, by all orgs. And each org is free to enemy at their discretion. I know that Terentia's order enemies anyone who raids Celest or attacks an order-member without provocation. Krellan is the only Seren defender-thingie that's enemied to her order. So no, they're not enemying people just for wildnodes. You also have no idea who actually started using shrines to defend spheres and flooding them with mobs, but I won't name names. Doesn't really matter. It just happens.

Edit: And SW had a Charune shrine on Taurus as well, to defend nodes. It got defiled a few times by the Gloomies.

Actually, I have heard people being enemied to Terentia for the reason of "just in case". Now I know these people may have lied about it. I cannot say for sure.

Now, since I am thinking about it, why in the world would a Terentian deathsquad come to try and hunt me for "supposedly" dusting an Lacostian/Elostian (whatever the combined form of the new divine is called now) shrine on Xion. Which in fact, I was proven innocent of any wrong doing in the matter by a real member of their order? It's kind of wierd that Terentianites came instead of their own order members. And also strangely enough, even though I was proven innocent, they chose to "retaliate" in another God's name and attack Morgfyre shrines, which is quite strange since Ildaudid is not a known Morgfyre member, anymore at least.

I had been meaning to ask this, and since it has sprung to mind, why did Terentian "deathsquads" come to defend a non Terentian shrine on an out of the way aetherbubble? I am assuming that at first, since an Elostian follower spoke to me about it, that they thought I was the one doing it, but I am still not sure why they would come to begin with. And then when I was already proven innocent of the matter, and I am quite sure they were informed of this, why did they attack a Morgfyre shrine on Nil? Especially without knowing what order, if any I was involved with anymore. Like I said, I will not speak what order I am in, but it is not likely to be a Morgfyre member anymore, although I still do have a cool symbol of his, and I still have my cool Raezon one too. But yeah, why?

edit- both paragraphs say the same thing don't they? Bah call me Capn' Obvious, or King of Redundancy my bad

If you want to know why a group of Celestians went to look for someone who might have been defiling the shrine of a god on their consulate, ask them in game. Not that it's rocket science.

No I am asking why a group of Terentians took the fight to magnagora and said later in another forum post somewhere that they were retaliating for shrines defiled, when I don't think it was Magnagoran nor a Morgfyre follower who defiled the original shrine in question. Especially when it wasn't their god.

It wasn't about Celestians, it was about not one single Elostian follower came there, I got off my ship, saw Nydekion, Narsrim and yourself. All of whom are not Elostian followers, as far as I remember.... (But maybe Narsrim is now). And was then questioned by a Elostian member and was cleared. But the fact remains that a true Elostian follower did inform you all I had nothing to do with it, and instead of backing off, it was used as an excuse to defile a Magnagoran Divine's shrine, when no one is sure who defiled the Elostian one. But trust me, the more I think of it, I am 99.999% sure no one there was an Elostian follower, since they could have simply done listofferings summary and checked to see if I was a super likely canidate.

And asking IG, well I am quite sure a Terentian follower would be super happy to talk to someone who thinks their "diety" is the crybaby diety of the basin. (Yes IG, after seeing Terentia run and cry to Charune about a kephera and an illithoid being married, it really turned off Ildaudid from her more than anything else he has seen/heard about her doing. He considers her the "tattle-tale" god, and thinks she is one of those child-gods, like the gods who are 10 or something, and the rest of the divine pantheon has to babysit her. But that is just from his IG perspective. He doesn't disrespect her in anyway, since she is a god, but he doesn't place a real high opinion of her either). So I don't think I would get a real good answer. Well maybe Nydekion would tell me, but I get the feeling the rest would not bother to give the time to a "dirty filthy magnagoran scumbag"

Ugh. I hate your posting style. You're just rambling and about nothing important. Stick to the topic. I don't really care how you or your character feels about Terentia. It's pretty obvious you have separation issues. It's a game, try to have fun. Terentia isn't out to ruin your life. And if you don't want to find out IC, then tough. I think it's perfectly justifiable for anyone to defend shrines of a God that they're not necessarily a follower of.