>> The point is these people have been mages and wiccans before and are used to getting kills on top-level astral mobs with lowly oblits. That's why getting wscs and watching them live (and tank another 7 hits, btw, and I'm a demigod) is a bit annoying.

Is this the point? i thought the point was he was trying to say im not qualified to make a monk statement cause im not a monk.. see the statement again --

>> I'd like to point out that of the people who have responded here saying monks are amazing, none of them have ever actually been monks.

making an alt takes like 5min you know.. *shrug*

Since you keep using >> instead of actually quoting people it's awkward trying to show you, but yes, what I said is the point. Heh.

If you have never been a monk, the best you can do is guess and suppose based on what you see. The people who have played monks, and played them long-term, are more likely to be able to give sound advice about what they are and are not good at. That seems pretty simply logical, it's not any sort of attack. People think monks are amazing because they're fast - and they are good. They are simply not as good as one-handed warriors IMO. The primary reason is that the majority of their damage is in the kick, so the shofa attacks are basically no good. Warriors have an equal chance of killing with either strike, monks have a much lower chance of killing with a critical hit. At high levels, hunting is all about critical hits; weak critical hits or fewer critical hits means you are not as good. Also, I am a level 80 monk and can't really take two adoraths without a lot of frantic curing and a bit of luck.



That is a good point, I'm a lobo which does have a nasty vulnerability.



Both of those were my points. People who have never experienced something are sometimes likely to succumb to the "grass is greener" syndrome. If the people who have been monks agree on something, and the people who have never been monks disagree, which group is more likely to be correct? My other point was that hunting, while still good, is not as amazing as it looks at first glance because of the way our damage is divided up. Everyone I have talked to who is a monk seems to agree with that point, which implies that it is most likely, even though non-monks continue to disagree and say we are the most amazing bashers around. I could work out the math about why one-handed warriors do better, but that's a lot of work to make a point.

Warriors don't -need- trans. Magic. Resistance is 15 Magic DMP, I believe.

It'd be nice to transcend it eventually, but Warriors don't really need it any more than the other archetypes.

You're tankier than I am as a level 86 warrior, then.

I'm also kephera with psychic resistance. Adoraths are one of the few creatures that actually helps on - too bad I avoid fighting them at all costs.

I kill a gorgog about 2-3 times faster as a level 80 or so monk than I do as a level 89 druid.

My monk alt got from level 1 to 40 in three hours, twenty-two minutes, including the time it took to find a teacher and learn the skills. Don't even try to say low level monks don't bash well. You can clear whole rooms in Newton with one button.

Go Paladin, transcend your warrior specialization, learn Sacraments up to hallowedground or numen if you have extra and Athletics up to surge. That'd be a good plan. I'm always amazed that so many Paladins haven't bothered transing Sacraments. The expensive part will be the armour/weapons, of course. If you want to be a tracker, that's another story. You might want to learn up to pit or darts. Then bash away!

if it is for bashing, don't go tracking. Tracking offers no resistances to anything, and is meant for using pits/darts to attack for PvP. If you wanna bash as a warrior, do what Malicia said. Go paladin, because all in all, if you can get access to the power needed to use numen alot. It is really nice to bash with. But it is alot of power to try and keep it up at all times. You would want to use it here and there.

That tactic only works because most systems are horrid in their recklessness detection. Telepathy's not as great with proper curing.

You can't have aeverything you want. Although you seem to.

Monk/Telepathy/Warrior issue: it all boils down to one statement. Grass is always greener on the other side. Always.

This is post of gabranth asking for help for what is the better guild. So I said monks are amazing and recommend it wholeheartedly. And I would like to point out that

1. You dont even know if i had a monk somewhere.. seriously, it takes 5min to create an alt.
2. So you dont recommend being monk?
2.1. If you dont because you played monks once and then gave up cause it sucks, then ok
2.2. If you dont but you still spend most of your time being a monk: Some issues are in there i think.

anyway,

to Gabranth:

If you wanted to suddenly be Conan the Barbarian and started using a colossal bruitish hammer, its ok of course..

but

I still recommend monks and still think the concept is amazing. rp-wise and bashing-wise.. I love monks, if it was a girl i can kiss it mwah3x..

caveat
1. I used to do martial arts so i totally identify with the kata thingie
2. I grew up watching cheezy chinese kungfu movies.. shaolin temples, that sort of things.

point is - im a little biased with all things kungfu based

but the descriptions of the skills are really nice in my opinion. for example the gliding thing is straight out of crouching tiger hidden dragon

note: Out of principle.. I still think monks should not be allowed to marry

And oh - as for the adoraths, of course i did not say to take them standing still in a room.. thats crazy. Do some hit&run tactics here and there.. a lot of vials, forcefield.. psiarmour.. etc..etc.. but with all that -- I cant defeat two adoraths together.. the paralysis and the damage is insane..

but i see a monk do it.. with a little luck and lots of curing and sparks..

Regarding warrior:

1) Specialisations really affect the feel of how you're playing, almost making it feel like a different archetype at times. With pureblade/axelord, you basically pick your target limbs and hack away, trying to avoid parries. With BC/BM, you have two weapons, can target different limbs, which adds another level of complexity. Bear that in mind.

2) Someone has said warriors are expensive to set up. This is true. Most people don't realise quite how much, though. Per set of masterweapons, you're probably looking at 200-250 metal comms per set of masterweapons (2x 1-handers, or 1x 2-hander, and you'll at least want a combat set and a hunting set, I'd imagine). For armour, 160-195 metal comms (plate and greathelm).

3) As far as monk vs. warrior, bear in mind that warriors have been tweaked and balanced for pretty much the entirety of the game's duration. My main concern would be, if I was in your shoes, that the nerf stick would descend at some point, with reasonable effect. It mightn't happen, but it does seem to, shortly after the release of a group of guilds/archetypes.

Malarious

Almost no one ever comments, but I would love to be a judge or magister, but their both Celest titles *mutters* and I'm a push over in fighting much like Gabranth in ff12.

I love this response though and monk would be better basher, but Mag monks are never coming out, it's frustrating.