"Well, so far there are two demigods who I really really didn't want to be demigods, and likely wouldn't be demigods if not for lich being a free getaway for them. So yeah, its not "pressing", but I'll admit I'm frustrated at the wasted work and it makes me happy to be able to give people what I feel they deserve. suspicious.gif"

Didn't Daevos have lich, and lose demigod?

Edit: Oh nevermind. It's becoming redundant at this point!

Daevos lost demigod on purpose, I hear.

I've sat here and wasted half an hour of my life reading this from post 1 to 223 and it's possibly one of the most aggressive series of postings I've ever read on the forums. Don't know if it's just me but I could feel aggression oozing out of my monitor when I read it. Calm down guys, it's just a game.

Chade

He did.

You lost essence even with lich back when Daevos lost demi



Okay, while this isn't really directed at you entirely Forren, I just didn't feel like going back and searching for the super specific quote. You want essence costs to rise so that's why it doesn't apply. This is for anyone like Aesyra arguing that the current essence cost from death is from and that people shouldn't be able to always cheat essence loss on death. WHO CARES? It's been stated time and time again, even by yourselves that no demigod will lose demi at the current costs. So if you're supporting the current cheap death costs but are whining about people not losing any essence from skills and then saying you think the skills should still be useful to them, just stop. You're contradicting yourself three times over. If they're not gonna lose demigod anyways, why would it matter whether they lose essence or not? If the admin keeps these current essence costs then really it doesn't matter whether demi's lose essence for death or not because I promise you that every demigod uses more essence from seek, divinefire, and zap than they do to death. And since those are all manual commands and unforceable, no demigod will ever lose demigod unless they choose to. Of course this is wrong if my logical assumptions are faulty.

Agreed.

So you would support no one losing essence from death? Just 10p and essence from the order?

I would personally be ok with it. I'd rather everyone lose essence the same, but eh, I just want it to be the same for everyone across the board.

I think that there are only two possible ways to frame this argument:

1. Demigods should always lose essence when they die, even in situations where mortals lose no experience.
2. Demigods should always lose essence when they die, and mortals should always lose experience when they die.

If you are suggesting the first is the case, it seems unreasonable and unfair to demigods that they should lose their equivalent experience in the same situation when non-demigods do not lose anything.

If you are suggesting the second case, then there is a much bigger issue that needs to be discussed and worked out. I would be okay with it, but it becomes a change to the skills instead of the demigods.

@Acrune
I am about 99% sure that demigod lich works exactly like normal lich. It would seem illogical for them to lose nothing and go to the divine havens. If that is the way it works, I would agree that it is a problem. Still, I seriously doubt that is the case.

I'm going to go out on a limb and hope I count as being cool-headed here (sometimes I lose my temper, but I feel calm right now!)

Imbalanced experience loss is a problem. I am reminded of a time when we had a forum thread about experience loss because Glooms didn't get one (except transmigrate) and Estarra posted something about how orgs should all be different and not have the same experience loss things.

Now, this is one of the decisions that has mystified me. I think it's overlooking how players really feel about this stuff. Technically if I die and go from 70% titan to 30% titan I haven't lost anything, because my stats are all the same. However, I've lost weeks (or a week and a half or so) of work. It would piss me off so much I would just log out for a long time. Conversely, if I know I don't lose any experience while dying, I might be much more inclined to raid over and over with no chance of any repercussion that matters to me. It's also nightmarish when people with, say, darkrebirth like to gank lowbies in the mountains. Two people have to die (one to sacrifice, since it's easy to remove corpses for everyone except maybe Serenwilde) and lose heavy experience, though less than praying. If someone kills the same guy, they lose nothing. It's -frustrating.-

I think if anyone is going to have abilities that allow them to lose NO experience, everyone should. You can correctly assume that this would be a problem because no one would have any fear of loss whatsoever.
If anyone is going to have abilities that allow them to lose LESS experience, everyone should. I think this is the way to go.
If one org is going to have abilities that allow them to lose less/no experience, no one should. I think this would kind of suck, but leaving conglutination and vitae as -it- might smooth things out.

I am sure people can come up with non-combat utility uses for darkrebirth, transmigrate, darknest, resurgem, sacrifice, and lich already has some.

That would make sense, but I've never seen one lich. So, anyone know for sure?

If these skills did not grant essence-loss immunity, I think it is very likely that Thoros, Ixion, and Athana would be Titans today. Even with phoenix as low as it is, without rezz skills interfering, it is possible with groups of people hunting the demigods. That's the reason for divine fire - to protect against these groups.

They're a soul, they run around, they reform. You kill them after lich hits and they reform at the Havens. I killed Ixion like this yesterday.

Well since most the people in this thread seem to have agreed that the change was unwanted and managed to repeat it a hundred times, lets close the :censored:er and be done with it, hmm?

Hmm...so many of my favorite Celestian players are so fiery on the forums...
I must be a glutton for punishment.

EDIT: Eek, I thought it would block that word for me!

It doesn't auto-censor. It relies on either personal censorship, or Shiri.

Well I'm not auto-censored in the everyday, so I guess I shouldn't expect the same here! Thanks Xenthos.

Yeah, I don't know what Aesyra was talking about a while ago...do I just censor fast enough while I'm here that she thinks I'm part of the forums software or what?

Supposedly.

You're still slow tonight, though!

....You're not?

Your doing fine Shiri, not slow at all.