I'm multitasking more than usual tonight. These nonogram things are hard at 25*25.

Nah sweetie pie, I wasn't referring solely to beckon, but that was abused also, when someone would walk in lust another walk out (and it was spammy as hell, normally 3 would walk in so one could lust) then empress them in. But I was referring more to the funny kick that knocks you into the nexus, how currents could pull you into a nexus and of course the infamous spring traps into the nexus's. They (including beckon) were all abused, by all sides, so it was something that needed some work. Also I think Geb's idea of B would be the way to go. All demigods should fear losing their demigod status and have major essence losses that they must maintain.



Yeah he lost it on purpose, and let some people just kill him, I also think that he had some mags slay him too to drop back to titan.



Ixion got demi? I knew he was waiting to get it, along with Athana, but I wasn't paying attention that they got demi. I also don't think they got demi solely by lich. That would be like saying you got demi by making people reflect for you. (which you actually did, but I don't think that is why you got demi though)

Lol, reflecting? Maybe at level 30 dude.

They didn't get demi solely with lich, but it sure helps along the way. They're keeping it because of lich is what I'm saying - lich death means they lose nothing.

Like I said, you didn't use it to get to demi, but you did use people to reflect for you. Pissed some of them off too, maybe you should sometime tell them thank you for doing it. And yes lich death means you lose nothing, but if you happen to be bashing and die, there is a good chance you will die again (at those levels since you are linking mobs alot) since the eq/bal time after you lich is long enough for any astral mobs to gank ya quick, especially when you defenseless. But I don't think lich was the sole reason. Now if Lich suddenly shot you to some nuetral zone and no exp loss, then yeah I would state that is how they did it, and I would recommend everyone go to mag, get lich and then demigod.

Now don't get me wrong, lich helps some... and it helps more than sacrifice. But sacrifice is also a way to avoid alot of exp loss, since I am pretty sure (unless it was changed) that you lose less through sacrifice than you do through praying. It may be because the person using the skill actually has to die.

Ildaudid, I honestly don't remember asking anyone to reflect for me, except if I was below level 40. I used to bash solo at odd hours - anyone who actually followed my bashing career would know that. Why would I ask someone to reflect for me instead? That's rather silly

Of course you lose less with Sacrifice and Lich. I'm also saying that right now, it's still working in a bugged fashion, circumventing essence loss for Demigods.

Its ok that you don't remember, if the person who was complaining about it wants to reinform you, then they can. Its not my buisness. And yes it was a while ago, and like I said it was not when you got demi. It truly doesn't really matter, I just remember getting an earful about it a couple of times and defending you, which got me in more trouble while I was chatting in deepnight. (And yes this was a while ago)

Yea the sacrifice and lich was meant simply because you said that some mag demis would never have achieved it without lich. I was simply stating that the same could be said for celest demis who could have used sacrifice to circumvent the prime praying exp loss as well. Granted lich is NO exp loss, so it would be a better choice, but sacrifice is also a decent choice, since the exp loss is less, and of course you all dont get lich.

QFT

Also, Shiri these forums -do- have a :censor: auto censor. (the swear word was built in to prove it. Try using the s word and hit post preview).

Lastly, I've slept over it and my opinion hasn't changed. It hasn't changed for... rl months to years concerning this. So much for cool heads at least as far as I'm concerned.

I really think you're confusing Forren with someone else on the reflections.

The fact that they would have -gotten- there was never in question. Of course they can get there - they can conglutinate. When you're bashing for Demigod, 90% of your XP is likely coming from Astral. On prime, I'd rather resurrect if the corpse can be gathered. Best bashing death support really is resurgem - don't even need the corpse on hand. What I was saying is without the current lack of a lich essence loss for Demigods, they would not have been able to maintain essence with the number of deaths (though they could have taken the Forren approach and ninja-bashed in aetherbubbles - then again, I could have easily found them using the Demi power Seek).

Damn you and your ninja power of seek!!!!

I love seek. Someone's afking on their nexus world? I ninja kill them.

ebil!!!

I think people seem to have glossed over my original point, so I'll repeat it again...

Lich works exactly the same for demigods as it does for everyone else. How can you suggest that it should not work for demigods, while still allowing it to work normally for everyone else? How can you also suggest, in good conscience, that a liching demigod should have to risk double essence loss, since they will most likely die again?

There seem to be only three reasonable solutions - let lich work normally for demigods like it does now, change lich for everyone to have an experience loss (which should also include a buff to lich, since the stat bonuses alone are not worth the risk), or re-work the resurrection skills completely like geb suggested. Any of these other suggestions seem completely unreasonable.

EDIT:
As a secondary issue, I would also like to repeat that all of the complaints about lich could be repeated, verbatim, simply replacing 'lich' with 'trueheal.'

I think it would be a good idea to cap Demigod essence. Make it like 2-5 million or something. Easy enough to retain really, but just low enough that "maybe" you could lose it if you were foolish. There's nothing hard about retaining Demi. What do people think about this? I've thought it would be a good idea for a while.

As far as Lich goes... It's always Celest vs Mag even on these forums isn't it. Celest you have Trueheal, any titan or Demi can just slap that macro for "refresh power;starchant trueheal" and bam, you are safe for a solid minute. A minute to run off and havens, a minute to do whatever you please. If a Demigod with Lich dies like I said before, he (or she) is just thrown back in to the fight with no defenses or eq, the odds of them dying a second time are mighty high. So... Trueheal will cure your afflicts and get you out of battle for free, where as lich will get you killed a second time and make you lose double the essence cost. I'm not saying you always die when you relich, but the odds are more likely than not. If you nerf Lichdom, do something about Trueheal. IT'S JUST NOT FAAAAAIR

Also like Mitbulls said, I'm the same player as any other person in Mag. Why should I have to suffer xp loss in instances(liching) where any other person of Mag wouldn't, just because I got to lvl 100? Put the cap on essence, this wont be a problem!

Demigods should always have risk associated with their essence. Right now, Demigods can transmigrate and lose nothing while appearing alive in enemy territory. Do you think it is fair that some Demigods are able to preserve their essence in such a way while the others have to bash constantly to keep themselves as Demigods?

As for trueheal.... that's an active ability which can be stopped. It cures you. It doesn't allow you to die and lose nothing. I'm not sure why you're even relating the two. The best counter to lich for us is Sacrifice, which doesn't even work on Demigods. Lich is also city-wide now for Magnagora, Crow egg for Glomdoring too, and sacrifice/resurgem not able to help Demigods in any way.

You seem to be repeating some incorrect points.

Trueheal no longer gives a minute barrier. It's around seven seconds now I believe. You have seven seconds of prismatic barriered time. Trueheal does not get you out of a battle. Trueheal requires 10p in your prompt.

Lich does not make you lose double the essence. Lich means you hardly ever lose essence because you escape right when you die the first time (losing nothing).

I think that's a brilliant idea. Bloody brilliant!

Would make it silly then to bash.

I honestly think demis deserve a break from bashing. They (you!) bashed for hours and hours and hours and hours to get there. :/

I think capping Demigod essence is a pretty weak idea, first of all it's screwing over those of us to have essence well over that cap, and some people like to bash for more essence and that would be taking that aspect away.

How much over the cap are you? How realistic is it that you'd lose demi again? I have the feeling that the answers are "Very Far" and "not at all", respectively. Yes, it would suck for those who are well over the cap, but frankly it should be a risk you take from being a demigod. I've heard it said that even hovering at 1m is safe these days.

For those who like to bash, they can still bash, offer corpses to their god, but isn't the argument 'those who like to bash for more essence' just a repeat of what was stated a few words back?

I am sure there are reasons that this is a bad idea, I just don't think either of those are rational reasons.