Look, I won't argue in circles. Most of the posts here were not really aimed at browbeating the admin into action. They were aimed at other players and their views. Debate, you know? I also think that everyone can be accused of reacting 'emotionally' or 'passionately' to various things posted. Including the administration and that's fine. At least it shows we care to some degree.

If no one can agree, perhaps shuffle the offending abilities around and then see if tunes change? Playing alts has shown me that sometimes, the grass isn't greener on the other side. But it has also shown me that the weeds over there are sometimes much tastier than they looked.

How does Lich not involve a death mechanically? You see "You have been slain by Xoxo." and become a soul, that's definitely death.

I promised not to argue again, but just to answer your question...those are basically flavor. There is no experience loss, no experience gain for the killer, and no PK status. That is definitely not death. It is treated basically like an arena death, which I would also say is not a real death. Other people could disagree, but that's why I say it isn't a death.

Yep. I also want to add that people have and are killed while truehealing, on a daily basis. It's not the minute-long prismatic barrier it used to have.

yea and People who liche die all the time as well. also another advantage TH gets over Liche is omg they don't have to redef up during a fight.

I think when you Lich, you have small time of grace. For most big name Mag Demis, that's MORE then enough to Cubix and/or get to a safe place.

When you Trueheal, it takes equilibrium, which if surrounded by a ton of enemies, is going to be insta-death. There's not grace involved with Truehealing.

My opinion is that it doesn't really matter with the current essence loss. Yes I'm fine with it. You say the bolded part like death isn't a joke right now. Now I suppose my argument stems from two different topics with skills being useless and essence loss being too low, but still, if you want to argue for the skills version, why bother right now? Even if you win and they change it so that lich doesn't stop loss and darkrebirth too, who's gonna lose it? No One. The first concern should be with essence loss due to death, then if that is changed, the part about skills being useful while still a demigod should be addressed to balance the fairness. Your opponent losing 50k essence is nothing even if you lose it. Big deal.

You don't get any time of grace. You get time to move away as a soul, and then you lose EQ when you reform.

Not that I have any particular slant in this argument, just saying grace is not involved. Ages ago lich did give grace, but that was an oversight and was removed.

Please don't post if you aren't sure, because you run the risk of being completely and utterly wrong, as here.

Lichdom does not give grace, and trueheal gives a prismatic barrier that prevents most attacks from hitting you for a short period (which is longer than the eq time).

adding in the fact that 1 lich potentially has the chance to cost up to 20 power..

if your saying TH doesnt save you from death im in a fight now where somone has TH'd not once but three times..

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Who are you talking about? I -hope- you aren't talking about that fight just now on Nil, where everyone's being spammed to death by lag, ripple and full shrine powers. I could barely move and commands weren't firing until seconds later. I hate stun. And we all died! So um... wha?

Edit: And before you respond in your 'usual' scary way, some of us had to trueheal off the 65,000 wounds we're getting from single attacks. Couldn't do much else, coupled with the other area effects. Icky.

And of course we don't get the luxury of healing off the 65k wounds that you decided to come to Nil and actually use, which is the only reason I am fighting while warriors are buggy. But don't expect warriors not to defend against other warriors who knowingly know about the wounding and go raiding anyways...

On a side note, beheading myself 2 times was neato!

Not that it matters, but don't start something if you don't want anyone to fight back. (Not saying you!) Celest only went to Nil because Ixion saw fit to kill Glauco while he was bashing in the Vault. And of course, the defilers earlier. I do hope they fix the bugs quickly though. It's a pain.

And who needs a reason to raid, anyhow? I had fun, though we eventually got squished out. Revan says he had fun. I'm not complaining. Just marvelling at Krin using that raid to justify his weak arguments about trueheal and lichdom being similar.

Defilers?

I had a lot of fun, for the record!



For whatever reason, it seems to me that Nariah is my target more often than anyone else when I'm fighting Mags. Nariah.

Even with that TH was keeping you alive. thats an extreme example yes but its still the same even if the wounds werent crazy you could still TH the same to stay in a fight while with liche its im out of the fight for 5 minutes hope the rest of my party doesnt die too.

oh yea and just so you know the guy that was jumped was hunting Ur'dead so your saying us doing stuff to defend or own is starting a fight?

Okay Krin, I concede. Trueheal stopped me from dying twice and losing experience.

Oh wait...