There we go. Apparently it's all a misunderstanding. Are there any players out there that actually support this change? If not it seems to just be a mistake easily rectified.

It's something worth thinking about to so people can find a new topic to rant about. This one is getting old.

True!

A good point was brought up to me. It seems that Celestians are really on the horn about nerf nerf nerf, which is pretty unfair, and it's not fun for anyone.

Why not buff? Angelic aura and that soul resurgem defence thing makes it so that if you die, you don't lose essence.

Voila. Problem solved.

Demigods should never be immune from essence loss.

Demigods, in my view, should all be on an equal footing in regards to losing and maintaining essence.

EVERYONE should lose essence when they die.

Demigod is not supposed to be easy, to get or retain. Other Orgs SHOULD NOT have an advantage over others in regards to essence loss and Demigod status.

What are the Admin thinking? As if Lich isn't already tremendously helpful for people aiming for Titan -- now they can't even lose Demigod unless on purpose.

As long as essence costs are buffed across the board sure. It's practically impossible to lose demi as it is now. No one ever losing essence when they died...the only way someone would ever lose demi is if they looped seek or something heh.

If the intent is no risk associated with demigod and anyone who feels like getting it should go for it with no worries, then this would be fine. My understanding was the intent was different though.

Personally, I disagree. Demigod is the result of countless hours of HARD, BORING WORK. (Unless you're a monk. More so if you're a guardian. Ahem.)

Why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy their bonus ad infinitum? Frankly, only one person (if I recall correctly) has ever lost demigod, old changes or new. It's -really- easy to keep it. It -was- easy to keep it, but now it's easy to keep it and they don't have to keep bashing like they did to get there.

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It is my opinion/belief that the intent HAS changed. The admin simply can't deny that it's impossible to lose demi ever since the changes made to essence loss ages ago. That was a change with results that could literally have been quantified. Again, only one person has lost demi (I'm not including Daevos, he did it on purpose) and making it even easier to keep gives me the impression that they want to reward those who've spent all the time and effort to get there. Personally, I think that the anger/sadness from losing Demi far, FAR outweighs whatever joy may be gained on the part of the people who caused them to lose it.

I don't think anything that allows a Celestian player to die and not lose experience would be passed, Myndy. History has shown that. See: The nerf where sacrificing (that is, murdering yourself at the cost of essence/power/defs/experience) for another person cancels out our ability to conglutinate, even within Celest. Yet demigods with lichdom should somehow gain an advantage over other demigods?

It's incredibly easy to retain, even someone with only 1 mil essence shouldn't have trouble keeping it.

I sat around with near 1 million for a month or two.

Take out the hard part and you're about right. But it used to be you would make a choice to become a demigod or remain at titan. Accept the risks or just stay with the sure thing. Now it's just a no-brainer. It makes no sense *not* to go for demigod.

Which is going to make for a lot of demigods. The lack of other things to do in game has already increased bashing across the board and you see more and more people getting titan/demi. Which I guess is fine. Demigods fighting demigods isn't all that unbalanced. It just makes it more imperative for everyone else to bash up to a decent level to compete. Or team up. Eh.

Meant DarkRebirth, silly me.

One possible alternative is to make the length of phoenix longer, or to make it something that has to be manually activated (ie, pray for salvation), so that Sacrifice, Resurgem, Immolate, etc. could all be used. It was an oversight that these skills were not considered when the changes to Demigod were made.

RE: it not being announced, it was likely just missed in a series of changes (probably my fault).

I disagree with the notion that it's OK for trans skills in Crow, Ecology and Necromancy to become essentially useless to the Demigod. They are, after all, trans skills and represent the pinnacle of that particular skillset. It seems counterintuitive to me that they should be a malus rather than a benefit for the Demigod to use.

Wait, wait, wait.

It was known that demigods weren't losing essence for death, and the admins thought that was a good idea???

Are you ing me?

Ugh, no wonder we haven't been able to make anyone lose demi.

I frown upon Lich ignoring essence loss for a Demigod. It makes perfect sense, yes, but this is one of those balance > sense situations. I admit, I don't have first-hand experience with the woes (or joys) of maintaining essence, but judging from all the Demis' reactions when Phoenix costs were supernerfed a while ago, I should think keeping it is easy as pie now. Giving two orgs this kind of advantage is just unnecessarily silly.

Well, my two cents...

They are not useless.

+2/+2 nighttime stats for lich and a passive affliction proc does not make a skill useless - quite the contrary.

QFT.

And someone else sees why I am pissed off.