He did lose it, but it was not because of you, nor was it unintentional.

I used to lose 500k when I died on a Celestia raid, I'd lich and appear back where I was still on Celestia just without eq or defenses, then die again and lose another 500k. Talk about an unfair advantage? It's more of a curse, Catarin. Lol, people are so quick to jump at lichdom.

Edit: Not to mention after that 1 million essence loss, you would have to put lichseed back up and have someone kill you to Lich for an additional 500k essence loss. No wonder I'm so low on essence compared to newer Demigods.

Except now you lose nothing and can immediately cubix away 95% of the time.

You lose no essence when you lich now? Yikes. That needs to be changed.

I only read the first couple posts and assumed the rest to be bitching, my bad.

...Yeah.

Read the thread dude!

..what? You are saying there was an unfair advantage to Celestia's defenders because you had the potential to die twice when you were raiding and lose the essence of dying twice? This being when ascend to havens was instant? So are you attempting to state that you should not have lost any essence for that first death? What exactly are you even saying here? That the potential for demigods to lose twice the essence if they choose to use lich for its beneifts is unfair?

Why not make it that if you die with Transmigrate, Blackegg or Lich or whatever the names of the bloody skills are, you lose the essence right there Bam, then you do whatever Transmigrate, Lich whatever. If you die again, you DON'T lose the essence and just Pheonix as normal, within a certain time frame.
So if Magnagoran Demigod dies on Celestia raid with Lich, he loses 250K Essence and Lich's.
If within say 1 hour or something Magnagoran Demigod dies on Celestia raid, he Pheonix's with no Essence cost. If it's outside of that 1 hour, he loses essence.

The same could apply for things like Vitae and to an extent, Conglutinate.

That sounds very silly code-wise.

Calm down Catarin. What I was saying was, I would lose 1.5million essence every time I went down on Celestia because the thing you fail to grasp, is that more times than not you die when you relich since the eq loss was huge and you had a group hunting you. Jesus. You only lose 100k now and are instantly out of trouble, wtf are you really complaining about.

Uh, you came into the thead posting something that made *no sense* whatsoever because you didn't bother to read the whole thing and you're attacking me? My focus is that there is no essence loss on lich/transmigration/rebirth. A point you seem to agree with. Nothing was even said by me about lich except it was one of the skills affected by this. Nor did I say anything about demigod essence loss except it seemed like not enough given how easy it is to get essence. So I guess wtf are YOU really complaining about?

He's a bush, what do you expect from him?

Anyways, seems like most people agree on the things I feel most important like increasing essence cost and such. Morgfyre's idea was pretty neat, but it still makes conglutination useless and then there's the whole issue where we'll never ever lose demigod. Did I mention ever? I'm just throwing out numbers, but I lose twice as much essence using demi powers like zap and seek and fire than I do dying. I lose three times more essence from using avatar powers than I do dying. Dying is worthless. I love zapping and the little new stuff we get. So I use those more. But anyways that's not really saying much other than that dying is laughable and that I lose more from demi powers/avatar powers than I do death, which I suppose is technically is demi power, but I'm separating it. Bad phoenix. Bad.

Krellan's mom.

Nice save, Kharvik!

Edit: Eh and to stay on topic! Please just make it even. All demigods should lose the same amount of essence, on death. No one asked for this and it isn't necessary.

This sounds like a concern that has nothing to do with Demigods. In fact, a lot of this thread seems like it addresses a broader topic of skills which mitigate XP loss (Transmigrate, DarkRebirth, Lich, etc.) that is really only tangentially related to Demigods.

While it has moved into that realm here and there I don't think that changes the primary purpose of the thread - equal demigod essence loss across the board. This change was made. We have no idea why. It wasn't announced. It apparently was not in the demigod report. I don't see any players actually supporting it. Can we just fix it back to how it was?

If more discussion is needed regarding balancing demigods then maybe another report should be put together but the purpose of the thread remains.

I hear a lot of this as well, but really only a small number of features added are due to direct player request - although I do try to incorporate cool player ideas whenever possible. As an argument it just doesn't hold water, because it raises a whole series of other questions: Who asked for it? Should we implement something if just one player asks for it? What about those opposed? How many players do we need before something is implemented? What about a majority of players who ask for something that only affects a minute minority who are opposed (tyranny of the majority)? (and so on)

So this was a decision by the admin to make this change? Without announcing it? I'm confused. Earlier it was said it was actually in the demigod report.

I think I replied on this earlier in this thread, but it was an administrative decision and it was accidentally forgotten in the announce post about demigod changes.

It's a very pertinent topic.

Liches who know what they're doing don't often die after they lich. They escape with no penalty.

Even Magnagorans who can lich are saying this is uncalled for.