Demigod Phoenix

by Catarin

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Catarin2007-10-16 21:02:15
QUOTE(Morgfyre @ Oct 16 2007, 02:59 PM) 450478
I think I replied on this earlier in this thread, but it was an administrative decision and it was accidentally forgotten in the announce post about demigod changes.


Okay, will the administration consider changing this back? It really makes no...sense. While it is great the administration doesn't want people to lose any utility from their skills due to becoming a demigod, this seems the very wrong way to go about it and perhaps other avenues could be explored that do not have such an impact?
Forren2007-10-16 21:02:16
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Oct 16 2007, 05:00 PM) 450480
Ok, to all the people that didn't believe Forren screams bias alot.... here is a thread proving it again. I told you the truth and he has proved it for all of you. Thanks smile.gif

Boo hoo, Magnagora can lich, well who the hell cares, its not like all demis in Mag are Avatars, like Celest has (yes all their demis seem to be Terentia Avatars suddenly) do we bitch about that.... hmmm no. we don't. Anyways keep up the whining, it is proving my points from before extremely well.

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What are you smoking, Ildaudid, the Personal Attack Pipe? Your post has nothing of substantial value to the topic at hand.

In the words of Anchorman, not losing essence on a death (lich, in this case) is "kind of a big deal."
Myndaen2007-10-16 21:02:27
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Oct 16 2007, 04:00 PM) 450480
Boo hoo, Magnagora can lich, well who the hell cares, its not like all demis in Mag are Avatars, like Celest has (yes all their demis seem to be Terentia Avatars suddenly) do we bitch about that.... hmmm no. we don't. Anyways keep up the whining, it is proving my points from before extremely well.


Why would you bitch about that? Your god is just as capable of making avatars as ours is.
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Forren2007-10-16 21:03:19
QUOTE(Myndaen @ Oct 16 2007, 05:02 PM) 450484
Why would you bitch about that? Your god is just as capable of making avatars as ours is?
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And it's not like being an Avatar relates at all to essence loss. Ildaudid just wanted to make a random comment. Once again, he fails.
Ashteru2007-10-16 21:03:22
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Oct 16 2007, 09:00 PM) 450480
Ok, to all the people that didn't believe Forren screams bias alot.... here is a thread proving it again. I told you the truth and he has proved it for all of you. Thanks smile.gif

Boo hoo, Magnagora can lich, well who the hell cares, its not like all demis in Mag are Avatars, like Celest has (yes all their demis seem to be Terentia Avatars suddenly) do we bitch about that.... hmmm no. we don't. Anyways keep up the whining, it is proving my points from before extremely well.

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Bad Ild. Go troll a thread I am not reading! Baaad!
Catarin2007-10-16 21:06:29
QUOTE(Forren @ Oct 16 2007, 03:00 PM) 450479
It's a very pertinent topic.

Liches who know what they're doing don't often die after they lich. They escape with no penalty.


Technically the other two skills that give this benefit are better than lich due to them not coming back as a soul and just basically phoenixing without the essence cost....it's the whole no essence lost when a demigod dies that's the problem, not the particular skill tongue.gif
Myndaen2007-10-16 21:06:51
I say we make trueheal passive, like lich, make it act the same way to demis as lich does, and everything will be peachy. And of course, Magnagorans wouldn't bitch at all, since they're above that. Right Ild? tongue.gif
Unknown2007-10-16 21:07:46
QUOTE(Morgfyre @ Oct 16 2007, 10:49 PM) 450471
This sounds like a concern that has nothing to do with Demigods. In fact, a lot of this thread seems like it addresses a broader topic of skills which mitigate XP loss (Transmigrate, DarkRebirth, Lich, etc.) that is really only tangentially related to Demigods.


I think demigods not losing essence for death is only the tip of a whole iceberg below. Hence my suggestion to limit every no-exp-loss-upon-death skill to only work once within x hours, and make you lose exp like vitae or conglut otherwise (perhaps slightly less to make it better). Hence demigods would lose essence too but retain the other benefits of those skills, like lich and darkrebirth -very- well have.
Forren2007-10-16 21:08:24
QUOTE(Catarin @ Oct 16 2007, 05:06 PM) 450487
Technically the other two skills that give this benefit are better than lich due to them not coming back as a soul and just basically phoenixing without the essence cost....it's the whole no essence lost when a demigod dies that's the problem, not the particular skill tongue.gif


Very very true.
Ildaudid2007-10-16 21:10:18
Your posts are being edited for personal attacks. Cease.
Ashteru2007-10-16 21:11:56
I don't see why we are talking about all kinds of skills suddenly. Just remove the no essence loss and all is cool again...I don't see a need to suddenly overhaul the whole system.
Forren2007-10-16 21:12:06
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Oct 16 2007, 05:10 PM) 450491
This thread is a whiner thread, just showing me how much Forren does whine and is bias, (like me) so yea, I am trolling and no it had nothing to do with lich it was for fun!!! yay!!! (Ashypoo sorry I will troll the pic thread so you dont get my fun comments)


Stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking.

It's not just lich. A Demigod with transmigrate will never lose essence. They will reform in allied territory.

That's not bias for whining. That's called common sense in regards to balance.
Unknown2007-10-16 21:12:14
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Oct 16 2007, 11:10 PM) 450491
This thread is a whiner thread, just showing me how much Forren does whine and is bias, (like me) so yea, I am trolling and no it had nothing to do with lich it was for fun!!! yay!!! (Ashypoo sorry I will troll the pic thread so you dont get my fun comments)


At least most other people try to be constructive, one way or another. If you have nothing to say, then do me a favour and say nothing.
Ashteru2007-10-16 21:13:43
QUOTE(Forren @ Oct 16 2007, 09:12 PM) 450493
Stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking.

It's not just lich. A Demigod with transmigrate will never lose essence. They will reform in allied territory.

That's not bias for whining. That's called common sense in regards to balance.

However, you do have to agree, the main focus of this topic seemed to be about Lich, not transmigrate, so no need to insult him like that right now.
Catarin2007-10-16 21:14:31
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Oct 16 2007, 03:11 PM) 450492
I don't see why we are talking about all kinds of skills suddenly. Just remove the no essence loss and all is cool again...I don't see a need to suddenly overhaul the whole system.


I agree. It doesn't seem very complicated. If over skills or demigod itself needs an overhaul. That's another topic.
Ashteru2007-10-16 21:15:32
QUOTE(shadow @ Oct 16 2007, 09:12 PM) 450494
At least most other people try to be constructive, one way or another. If you have nothing to say, then do me a favour and say nothing.

You know, ignoring stuff he says might be a better way than answering to it, making him come back and answer in return? I mean, I really like Ild, he's okay except if he's on his rantingtrip, but sometimes you just need to ignore him.
Catarin2007-10-16 21:15:46
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Oct 16 2007, 03:13 PM) 450496
However, you do have to agree, the main focus of this topic seemed to be about Lich, not transmigrate, so no need to insult him like that right now.


It's unfortunate that people are focusing on lich but the intent had little to do with lich itself. Lich is the least problematic of the skills that are the problem.
Unknown2007-10-16 21:15:48
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Oct 16 2007, 11:13 PM) 450496
However, you do have to agree, the main focus of this topic seemed to be about Lich, not transmigrate, so no need to insult him like that right now.


The main topic is demigod death without any essence loss at all or demigod death with halfed essence cost useable by only one half of the game.

Lich was just used as an example in the opening post as it was proven it was changed to no longer cost essence.
Forren2007-10-16 21:16:12
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Oct 16 2007, 05:13 PM) 450496
However, you do have to agree, the main focus of this topic seemed to be about Lich, not transmigrate, so no need to insult him like that right now.

"Lich" is easier to type than "Transmigrate/Lich/Darkrebirth/etc". I also see Lich more than the other two. My whine is that no skill should make someone immune to essence loss as a Demigod, not about lich in particular. Ildaudid just likes to make personal attacks when he can that make no sense in context.
Malicia2007-10-16 21:17:40
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Oct 16 2007, 04:10 PM) 450491
This thread is a whiner thread, just showing me how much Forren does whine and is bias, (like me) so yea, I am trolling and no it had nothing to do with lich it was for fun!!! yay!!! (Ashypoo sorry I will troll the pic thread so you dont get my fun comments)


We're all biased. Some less so than others. You need not attack Forren in every thread he posts in, Ildaudid. If you want a true whining thread, read the one about the trueheal-costs-0-power-construct thread. That one was priceless!