Who cares, it's not like you can lose demigod anyway unless you're actively trying to do so.

All of them? Which percent? Are there polling errors? Can even a single objection be overriden by the will of the majority? What percent of the minority do we need to override their concern? Consensus? 90%? 50%? 25%? 5%?

Without getting any more ridiculous I think you can see why Lusternia's development isn't determined by consensus or polling (though there have been MUDs which have tried this in the past, and subsequently the players voted to forego that system in favor of administrative-led development after it failed).



We are always open to considering other alternatives, but it seems a bit silly to me that certain skills (transmigrate, etc.) would have targetted exceptions that they do not function for Demigods. What other avenues should we explore?

We saw a lot of concern by Demigods when phoenix costs were greater that the limiting factor on their power (threat of losing Demigod) wasn't an interesting or enjoyable mechanic. Also, when initially Demigod powers were restricted (a timer on ascension to the havens), there were numerous cries (by many of the same people who are now posting in this thread, notably Forren and Aesyra) that limiting Demigod powers made it worthless to be a Demigod and that they were going to quit the game because they had been so nerfed. I'm skeptical that anything has changed since then that would make it otherwise. What should be the counterbalance to Demigod powers?

Thoros had 12k essence and died. He liched.

Yea gods can have multiple, and I can guarantee anyone reaching demi in celest will end up an avatar. I think there should only be one too. But yea I agree with you and Ashy on essence.

Soo, rite, Admins are aware of the problem, so either this thread should be closed to avoid further arguing and stuff, or made into a poll to back the proposals up with raw numbers.

EDIT: Lol, seems Morgy owned my idea even before I finished posting. <.<

We have two gods with two avatars a piece and really, no mechanical reason more can't be made. Soon we'll see stacked exalt wraths wiping out whole groups of people! Good times, good times. (btw, this is sarcasm and I think it should be addressed before it's a problem though not in this thread. Get your own thread Veo!)

Hehe, yeah I remember that. I am not sure what the counterbalance should be though.

I don't believe I saw anyone in this thread, some of whom are demigods, argue that it should stay the way it currently is. I'm just not sure why it was changed from the status quo - whose will demanded that to be changed? What minority, if not the majority?


We just found it rather silly that Haven was nerfed for no particular reason, out of the blue. It didn't make it worthless, it made the skill worthless. It's a lot better than the initial change now, though, and I do like the inclusion of Zap.

My main objection to the current situation is that it's possible now for people to never lose essence. Ever. See: trans ecologist demigod.

Here I was, all depressed and reading this thread. After all, no one was making moronic and blindly biased posts, and what fun is that?

And then, Ildaudid posted. Thanks Ildaudid, you always come through for us when we need our daily dose of posts positively dripping with bias.

So this post has a point:



I agree. The change was unwanted, unneeded, and detrimental to the game, and I don't really hearing anyone disagreeing.

Ok, well, he's just retarded then

I think what annoyed them most was the change to haven, or am I mistaken? I'm sure they could clear that up.

Yay, I am glad I cheered you up my brother!!!!

edit- Veo yer sig is going crazy!!!

Correct. It took me 18 seconds to ascend. Can you say "useless skill"?

With the change to manses and the change to the ascend time, it's much more useful. I like Seek.

Other avenues as in make it so that there are still benefits to the abilities even though the essence loss remains. I am not really understanding your arguments here. You are saying the majority will of players in a game should not override the minorities concerns? We are not talking about civil rights here. We're talking about a few unbalanced skills. And you are completely ignoring that these are not just trans skills we are talking about. In the case of lich every single Magnagoran has access to it. Same with dark rebirth. With transmigrate you are basically saying that no demigod that has transmigrate will EVER lose essence for dying because it is basically phoenix without the essence cost. I honestly do not see how these things are justified? The arguments being made do not make any sense....

But let's discuss other avenues if that is what it takes to get what is clearly a terrible imbalance fixed. In terms of lich it could just be made that when you die with lich up, you phoenix as normal but do not lose lich. That's pretty beneficial! Better than the original skill given how much people say that running around as a soul is no guarantee of safety. Popping up in havens is pretty darn safe.

Anyone have suggestions for transmigrate and dark rebirth? I'm not familiar enough with how they work.

Edit: And quite frankly it is a bit frustrating to be told here that the majority will just isn't all that big of a concern in terms of balance issues. Truehealing was taken away from all of one org quickly enough when the majority spoke up even with a pretty sizeable minority against it. And it WAS imbalanced. And THIS is imbalanced. The concern for wanting people to keep the utility of their skills when becoming demigod in no way shape or form justifies an action this extreme.