Rough Design for Ascendant System

by Estarra

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Veonira2007-10-30 23:09:26
I love that it's cumulative. Not that people shouldn't have to fight for it, but it makes it a bit more feasible to have an ascendant whose greatest quality isn't combat ability.
Estarra2007-10-30 23:09:33
QUOTE(Yrael @ Oct 30 2007, 04:06 PM) 454612
Thought about giving someone sitting in the throne a delay? Make getting these blessings a fairly risky process? Something like .5 seconds on every command, to encourage them to bring guards?


Nope, we haven't thought about that. Again, this is a peek of a rough draft. Interesting idea though, not sure if we want it to be too hard to release the blessings. In fact, I was thinking there could be some benefit for the person sitting (metaphorically!) in the throne -- like not being able to be easily moved out of the room.

(Perhaps we should call it "claiming" a throne rather than sitting in one.)
Noola2007-10-30 23:09:56
QUOTE(Veonira @ Oct 30 2007, 06:09 PM) 454617
I love that it's cumulative. Not that people shouldn't have to fight for it, but it makes it a bit more feasible to have an ascendant whose greatest quality isn't combat ability.


Exactly! laugh.gif
Verithrax2007-10-30 23:11:12
Wait, are you actually asking us what you think before you implement something? What the hell?

Oh, and "bless a race" would appear to be balanced for most races... except blessing Merians is like blessing Celest, etc.
Yrael2007-10-30 23:12:46
QUOTE(Estarra @ Oct 31 2007, 10:09 AM) 454618
Nope, we haven't thought about that. Again, this is a peek of a rough draft. Interesting idea though, not sure if we want it to be too hard to release the blessings. In fact, I was thinking there could be some benefit for the person sitting (metaphorically!) in the throne -- like not being able to be easily moved out of the room.

(Perhaps we should call it "claiming" a throne rather than sitting in one.)


Well, if the time is cumulative, it seems like it is fairly easy. A .5 aeon style delay would force them to bring friends, so they couldn't dart in when there's maybe one other demigod/asc around. I suppose they're "Bathed in the energies with slower reactions".

Or something along those lines.
Pentu2007-10-30 23:17:14
If you sit there for long enough to get a minor blessing and then someone destroys the minor blessing, will your time continue counting on, ie next blessing you get will be a lesser blessing, or will you need to start over?
Yrael2007-10-30 23:20:12
What if there was some sort of specialised attack mode, so, say, Geb/Kaervas couldn't meander in, sit down and be entirely invulnerable?

As in, you couldn't attack them normally, but try some sort of ultra-specialised ego battle using skill in.. planar, I don't know, to tear them out of their cocoon of power.
Saran2007-10-30 23:28:02
This looks so awesome, but I do have a question on how often we might expect people to become a true ascendant?

Also wondering about what people think of the essence costs? Considering that now apparently people can stockpile easily if these costs are incurred every time someone decides to strike out against you do people think they are manageable (I don't really know, just wondering if they might eventually keep people away)

But yay for ascendants and stuff for demigods to do!
Xavius2007-10-30 23:28:43
QUOTE(Yrael @ Oct 30 2007, 06:12 PM) 454622
Well, if the time is cumulative, it seems like it is fairly easy. A .5 aeon style delay would force them to bring friends, so they couldn't dart in when there's maybe one other demigod/asc around. I suppose they're "Bathed in the energies with slower reactions".

Or something along those lines.



An hour is a pretty long time to be sneaking in a couple seconds here and there for a 25 hour buff. I don't know if that'd be a huge issue.

Quick thoughts:

I really like the idea of a short term benefit as a means of providing optional combat and conflict. If this works well, any chance of getting conflict quests reinstated under this model with neutral entities?

3.6 million+ essence is a huge chunk for a relatively transient def. Might it be more conducive to participation if the essence cost was dropped substantially (500-750 per second?) and dropped entirely for a demigod holding a throne? Or, maybe, lengthen the time it'd last? As a matter of personal preference, I see a buff that longer as more beneficial than a big, short buff. (+2 int for three days is better than +6 for one day, and my opponents would rather deal with +2.)
Unknown2007-10-30 23:31:14
I'm not against huge losses for gains, as at the moment I think Lusternia babies people quite a bit when it comes to losses.

However, I agree with Xavius when he says lengthen the amount of time that the buff lasts, but perhaps decrease the strength of it.

Anyway, very cool ideas, although a few kinks (nothing more to mention that what other people already have.)

It reminds me of the Monolith system used in Imperian, except better. happy.gif
Shamarah2007-10-30 23:34:12
I like it, for the most part. Comments on a few powers:

QUOTE(Estarra @ Oct 30 2007, 06:43 PM) 454590
Chaos (opposes Harmony)
  • Minor - Bless a race to have +3 to a random stat OR neutralize harmony (or nature?) minor blessing.
  • Lesser - Bless a guild ?? OR neutralize harmony (or nature?) lesser blessing.
  • Major - Bless a city/commune ?? OR neutralize harmony (or nature?) major blessing.

+3 to a single stat seems a bit much, especially if it hits str or int. Maybe it should be +3 stats distributed at random?

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Justice (opposes War)
  • Minor - Bless a race with something like the Justice Karmic blessing OR neutralize war minor blessing.
  • Lesser - Bless a guild with something like the Justice Karmaic blessing OR neutralize war lesser blessing.
  • Major - Bless a city/commune ??? OR neutralize war major blessing.

Justice karma blessing is pretty craptastical, I don't think anyone would use this one. Don't really have any good ideas for this one though...

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War (opposes Justice)
  • Minor - Bless a race to increase damage OR neutralize justice minor blessing.
  • Lesser - Bless a guild to increase damage OR neutralize justice lesser blessing.
  • Major - Bless a city/commune to increase damage OR neutralize justice major blessing.
Life (opposes Death)
  • Minor - Bless a race to decrease damage OR neutralize death minor blessing.
  • Lesser - Bless a guild to decrease damage OR neutralize death lesser blessing.
  • Major - Bless a city/commune to decrease damage OR death justice major blessing.

These are potentially interesing, but please don't make these boots too huge. (I'd say, like, 10% or so would be good.)

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Death (opposes Life)
  • Minor - Bless a race ?? OR neutralize life minor blessing.
  • Lesser - Bless a guild ?? OR neutralize life lesser blessing.
  • Major - Bless a city/commune ?? OR neutralize life major blessing.

Decreases exp lost on praying and speeds up the process, maybe?

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Magnagora (only Ascendants/Demigods of Magnagora has access)
  • Increase discretionary power of Magnagora OR stop discretionary power of another city/commune (or neutralize blessed increased discretionary power).

Please consider replacing these. Discretionary powers really, really, really do not need to be boosted. What if it gave power to the nexus or to all the citizens or something?

Also, it seems like there should be some way to remove a claim on a throne (though I realize this one isn't fully developed yet anyhow).
Yrael2007-10-30 23:34:52
Demigods have massive stockpiles of essence and.. no use for it. At least this way, they might actually have the chance to lose a little of it. Maybe, leave the blessings as is, but if a Demigod can sit on two thrones, give the stat benefit of a Titan out to citymembers? That sort of thing.
Ildaudid2007-10-30 23:37:59
I like this concept.

One major question I have though is this:

If this is going to cost major amounts of essence. And basically subject demigods to possibly being thrown back to titan for even participating in this realm, will cities or communes be able to help add to an Ascendant's or even a demigod's total essence? Like, could I offer bull to Kaervas, so that if need be, Kaervas will have enough essence to be willing to participate in such a realm? And yes, Kaervas has a ton of essence saved right now, that is not my point, I mean in general, Kaervas is just a demigod name, it can be replaced by Catarin, or any other new Demigod.

Ascendants won't have to worry as much, just that if they have no essence, they will have to wait maybe an hour to reform, but Demi's after maybe 2 weeks after this release will all be lower in essence then they are now. Which is why I am asking.

Also, will there be anything else in this realm? Anything for demi's or ascendents to link to or bash, to help them gain essence? Or will this essentially make astral a demi/ascendant bashing ground, and all other players complaining about how the entire astral plane is drained 24/7 due to the acended/demi's needing essence to go to the new realm?


These are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head, would be good to know tho.
Ilyarin2007-10-30 23:41:24
I'll write up my thoughts on this in a more coherent format in the morning. At the moment, I feel that the system is an interesting concept, but that the numbers may need tweaking a bit. For example, whilst some demigods do stockpile massive amounts of essence, by this system it would cost them around 11,000,000 to give a major blessing which would last a maximum of 25 hours. I think a good majority of current demigods are beneath that threshhold, and those above it would still quake at the idea of spending that much for a short buff.

Overall, it sounds very exciting!
Saran2007-10-30 23:41:32
QUOTE(Yrael @ Oct 31 2007, 10:34 AM) 454633
Demigods have massive stockpiles of essence and.. no use for it. At least this way, they might actually have the chance to lose a little of it. Maybe, leave the blessings as is, but if a Demigod can sit on two thrones, give the stat benefit of a Titan out to citymembers? That sort of thing.


Yes, but that is because they have no use for it.

- time taken to get to the throne
1800000 essence for a minor blessing
3600000 essence for a lesser blessing
7200000 essence for a major blessing

is this something that demigods can bash up easily and regularly enough with enough essence (1mil?) to retain demigod if they die?

suspicious.gif yeah don't actually know just wondering
Jigan2007-10-30 23:46:53
A minor idea or point?

Is there a specific reason it would be a throne? Just not a massive module of said energy? I'm not sure how it works, but maybe something relative to the sphere of influence. Such as nature being in a forested area, and the "throne" would be a large flower or something. War could be in an armory, with a forge.

In regards to helping keep the person there, maybe the longer they stay connected, the harder it is to move them capping off at some point. In the nature sphere, maybe vines or something curl up around the legs.

I dunno, just some thoughts. I'm not too sure how it's going to be presented unsure.gif But, the connection between the person "claiming" the throne anchoring them in might help a bit.
Ildaudid2007-10-30 23:47:16
QUOTE(Saran @ Oct 30 2007, 07:41 PM) 454636
Yes, but that is because they have no use for it.

- time taken to get to the throne
1800000 essence for a minor blessing
3600000 essence for a lesser blessing
7200000 essence for a major blessing

is this something that demigods can bash up easily and regularly enough with enough essence (1mil?) to retain demigod if they die?
suspicious.gif yeah don't actually know just wondering


Yeah thats what scares me, I can just see almost all the bashing grounds being overrun with demigods rushing to regain essence they lost during something in this new world. And this would actually make the level 50-90 folks pretty much stuck at those levels. If there was never anything to bash anymore. Well I guess the titans would end up taking over the prime places, then the 50's would take over places like Tornada Tidal Flats, and when someone that just gets outta Newton asks where they can bash, people will say stand in line for "place a" since the demigods all need essence they have overrun all the major bashing areas. tongue.gif
Kaervas2007-10-30 23:50:54
I think the whole idea behind the Demigod essence loss is to discourage ganking the ascendants or other people up there too often.
Saran2007-10-30 23:52:15
QUOTE(Saran @ Oct 31 2007, 10:41 AM) 454636
Yes, but that is because they have no use for it.

- time taken to get to the throne
1800000 essence for a minor blessing
3600000 essence for a lesser blessing
7200000 essence for a major blessing

is this something that demigods can bash up easily and regularly enough with enough essence (1mil?) to retain demigod if they die? without massively interfering with lower level peoples ability to bash

suspicious.gif yeah don't actually know just wondering



QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Oct 31 2007, 10:47 AM) 454639
Yeah thats what scares me, I can just see almost all the bashing grounds being overrun with demigods rushing to regain essence they lost during something in this new world. And this would actually make the level 50-90 folks pretty much stuck at those levels. If there was never anything to bash anymore. Well I guess the titans would end up taking over the prime places, then the 50's would take over places like Tornada Tidal Flats, and when someone that just gets outta Newton asks where they can bash, people will say stand in line for "place a" since the demigods all need essence they have overrun all the major bashing areas. tongue.gif


All better now
Ashteru2007-10-30 23:53:14
I don't see myself paying 7.2 mills essence (Which is more than I have right now, actually), just so others can get some minor boosts for 25 hours. :S I mean, if they helped me get in essence, I'd consider it, but right now it seems like one guy does the work and certain people benefit from it.
I really like this idea for ascendants, since they became what they are through socialising and stuff, but I always thought of Demis as people who are mostly looking for themselves first, not other people.