if forced staffing/cudgeling is a bug, would force order entourage attack owner be? It does allow your entourage to attack you. it's semi popular? It's been used to say the least.

Interesting. All of those are balance skills, though.

I'm about 90% sure that MDs can't moonburst themselves or hex themselves, and mages can't point staff at themselves even with anatine. Maybe when all targeted skills work that way, then the argument about it being an issuable bug will make more sense.

As a MD, when I sip anatine I can moonburst myself, use astrology rays, and basically use other offensive attacks against myself.

lol Derina give up. you're 90% wrong on this. I hit people with clumsy hexes and they can attack or hex or whatever to themselves. If you trolled less and played more, you'd know this.

The ability to attack yourself is what sells half of the world's anatine.

Okay! Now that you know that targeted skills do work that way, I guess we agree.

Fair enough, guess I was wrong. Has it always been that way? I remember trying back in the day when I was a hexe so I could get trigger lines and I couldn't get it to work right. Maybe I'm just crazy...I suppose everyone has to be wrong every once in awhile. This will be my time for the year.



Okay, you have a fair point then. I still really don't think that it is bug abuse, I would suggest trying to issue and see what they say. If I were a cheap fighter (I'm usually not) I would use this tactic without much fear of getting into trouble for it. It's been a pretty widely broadcast 'bug' since the game first opened; if it is really a bug, it is apparently one the admin could care less about.

As far as I know, it's worked that way as long as I've been playing (start minus a few months). As to the second: It's a *very* minor bug in the traditional sense that it's used-- it's not like it matters much if you can point your staff at yourself. If, however, someone is abusing it by forcing it-- then it becomes an issue.

In summary: Minor bug that isn't really an issue in one case. Very nasty potential issue in the other. You'll note that I didn't mention issuing it at all in the normal case, only if it's being forced.

Then make self staffing non forcable? But if you do it to yourself I cant say others might not try to force it. I wont but thats because I dont feel like wasting a dominate on something that needs eq.

And I can confirm if its really needed Anatine allows you to hit yourself, its part of how I tested astrology and even crucified myself a few times. Hard venom to get though often

A question:

I was doing this, but it seems as even if leglock was done first.. then throatlock.. throatlock was the one that is being focused off.. was it changed? or prehaps sometimes its tlock, sometimes its leglock?

but all my tests are always tlock first is being focused off..

dangit, just when i thought i found something new

STOP MAKING EVERYTHING NOT FORCEABLE!



that is all.

Quoted for agreement.

Hehe. Anyone who thinks Deepsleep is lame has issues.

I need to use about 4 deepsleeps before you start noticing it and 5 before it becomes truly deadly. Each shot uses 3 power. THAT'S A LONG TIME.

And by "half", he means "all".

The reason people hate hunger is because you lose control of your character for what, 20 seconds of uncon? If there is one thing consistent across ALL PvP games, hell across any game where you have an avatar, it's this:

People are most annoyed by losing complete control of their character and dying helplessly.

Stunlocking in MMO's, chain crowd-control, etc. People hate it. Hunger is usually seen as lame because if you slip up once, it kills you. Having to carry 800000 food comms so I can power pop 200 of them when someone hungers me up is fun. Anyway, it's the gigantic elephant uncon that people hate about hunger, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.

thoros is fat and smells like sweaty gym socks

Yeah, and after that "long time" (read: just over a minute?) you lose the game. Still lame, sorry!

Just recently shifted to telepathy.. and by the gosh, it works!

anyway, its jsut a few days but im very happy with it.. against people who have terrible recklessness curing.. almost a guaranteed win in the first twnety seconds.. however, for people who can cure well..

i see now what bianca was talking about.. i sparred someone and I did psychicvamp for the longest time.. actually after casting claws/phantom.. thats all i did for the entire ten min give or take a few mindblast. what happened was -- nothing.. he jsut cured it all with sparks/croll/bromide.. not to mention the one time i did get it down to half, he jsut walk away a bit.. and since im offbalance i couldnt follow, and after 6sec when i went to follow -- well it was back to square one..

methinks im lacking in a little sneakiness or some such.. wonder how its done

heh, so all you telepath masters out there.. uhm, hivemind here? gimme idea too.. gimme2x

Wait, it is? Apparently that was changed, then. Figures, leglock/throatlock is the only way I ever got any kills as a telekinet.



As far as telepathy, you should take all of my advice with a grain of salt - I sucked as a telepath outside of my demesne.

Most of the time, mindblast is more useful than psychicvampirism, since your enemy has to choose what to heal. Claws/phantom and wyrm will help to drain health, and throw in some afflictions to slow down curing as well (addiction/dominate sip mana, stupidity, etc). Once you get close, you can expect the person will try to run away - this is why I always sucked as a telepath. In theory, you should switch your afflictions over to things that will keep them held down, and possibly switch to vampirism when they are getting low. Things like paralysis/deadening can help.

Outside of demesne or group mindblast is really the better way to go, otherwise they will just focus on ego.

Also, everyone expects what you're going to do, so you need to get a little creative and mix things up.

Don't know. Lots of forceable things have potential for abuse. Would like to think people are above that, but largely aren't.