LolPinleg!

by Forren

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Forren2007-11-24 21:23:45
QUOTE(krin1 @ Nov 24 2007, 04:03 PM) 460150
i just like how forren has to be able to beat two people or else it isnt fair
-edited- make that 3 people.


I just like how you don't understand the topic.
Ildaudid2007-11-24 21:30:32
QUOTE(Forren @ Nov 24 2007, 04:23 PM) 460158
You should read, then.

Every time I writhed off, it tried to do things assuming I was cured. I don't track numbers of pinlegs, just that I'm pinlegged. Once I writhe off one, I assume I'm unpinlegged, which actually tests if I still am. I get the secondary message and clearly see that I'm still pinlegged. Some things will go through though most likely - I haven't gotten around to writing !%ismember(pinleg, @afflictionList) into every part. It won't hamper my writhing, though, just might spam me a tiny bit every second or two.

Prioritizing implies it's on the same queue. It's not. Things are pretty separate - herbs, focus, salves, purgs, "misc" (which is where pinleg falls).


Im not reading that whole log it isn't in color tongue.gif

But ok, I understand what you were saying with the cure thing.

And Krin needs to stay on topic.
Forren2007-11-24 21:31:56
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Nov 24 2007, 04:30 PM) 460160
Im not reading that whole log it isn't in color tongue.gif

But ok, I understand what you were saying with the cure thing.

And Krin needs to stay on topic.


Also want to add that my writhing was perfect - it writhed exactly when it should have, 100% of the time. Any delay from the newline prompts was around .1 second.

And no color if I just copy-paste from my buffer!
Shamarah2007-11-24 21:32:00
Why do people respond to Krin?
Ildaudid2007-11-24 21:32:29
We are trolling like you smile.gif <3 Shamarama!!
Ceren2007-11-24 23:50:50
It was actually a pretty simple mistake that caused this: your rebounding wasn't coming up.

Rebounding is a major factor in escaping pinleg locks. In that log, you can see that right at the point Thoros switched from lunges to strikes, if he would have had to raze then you more than likely would have been able to writhe off and move parry.
Forren2007-11-25 00:05:51
QUOTE(ceren @ Nov 24 2007, 06:50 PM) 460185
It was actually a pretty simple mistake that caused this: your rebounding wasn't coming up.

Rebounding is a major factor in escaping pinleg locks. In that log, you can see that right at the point Thoros switched from lunges to strikes, if he would have had to raze then you more than likely would have been able to writhe off and move parry.


Interesting, I guess I didn't have my button pressed.

I've fought Thoros in full rebounding, etc before, and I have the exact same problem as this log shows.
Kharvik2007-11-25 03:14:43
I think you should be able to do more stuff while pinlegged. Ok, so my leg is pinned, why can't I focus my mind? Why can't I still use my arms? Why can't I even sip a vial?
Shamarah2007-11-25 03:23:38
You can DRINK VIAL, you just can't SIP VIAL wink.gif
Ildaudid2007-11-25 03:50:05
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Nov 24 2007, 10:23 PM) 460202
You can DRINK VIAL, you just can't SIP VIAL wink.gif


isn't that wierd, I think most sip alias's are set to drink too because of wierd things like that.
Hyrtakos2007-11-25 04:24:16
Realism has absolutely nothing to do with anything in combat. That is really the worst argument you can make.

Take tumble with the pinned example. You can houdini your way out of shackles, webs, paralysis, etcx1000 but you can't tumble out of that. Why can't you mutilate your own foot or leg and split it down the middle just to get away? Has to be less extreme than a slit throat I would say.

If you wanna make Lusternia realistic, you won't need to complain about any good skills at all since everyone will only be able to carry around a few vials and herbs at a time to use.
Unknown2007-11-26 12:10:13
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Nov 24 2007, 10:23 PM) 460202
You can DRINK VIAL, you just can't SIP VIAL wink.gif


Check again. This was fixed several months ago.

I, too, think that pinleg should be softened a bit. As it stands currently, you can have two legs pinned by one Blademaster, and that's double impale from one person. Being impaled is one of the most hindering conditions in the entire game. Also, can't you have your legs pinned by multiple people at the same time? I can't remember offhand if that works or not...
Catarin2007-11-26 14:57:25
Softening pinleg is fine. But BMs would need some serious attention because quite frankly, without the extreme nature of pinleg in groups, the specialization does not have a lot going for it. I gave up making suggestions for it as *nothing* would ever go through because "You have pinleg".
Xenthos2007-11-26 20:14:10
QUOTE(Catarin @ Nov 26 2007, 09:57 AM) 460389
Softening pinleg is fine. But BMs would need some serious attention because quite frankly, without the extreme nature of pinleg in groups, the specialization does not have a lot going for it. I gave up making suggestions for it as *nothing* would ever go through because "You have pinleg".

The sliced-forehead being a jab thing went through. I rarely heard any discussions ever end because "You have pinleg." There was one discussion about a new head affliction that I didn't think was necessary for various reasons, but I haven't heard things for other body parts. If you have suggestions, feel free to suggest 'em. Unless it was just your old envoy dissing the idea before it got to the envoys at large...
Catarin2007-11-26 20:20:55
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Nov 26 2007, 01:14 PM) 460419
The sliced-forehead being a jab thing went through. I rarely heard any discussions ever end because "You have pinleg." There was one discussion about a new head affliction that I didn't think was necessary for various reasons, but I haven't heard things for other body parts. If you have suggestions, feel free to suggest 'em. Unless it was just your old envoy dissing the idea before it got to the envoys at large...


I've never been an envoy so I don't really know what went on there. I just know that for awhile I was making pretty regular blademaster suggestions and was told it either wasn't getting through the envoy process due to various reasons including pin leg or it wouldn't even be suggested because it was felt that the existence of pin leg would stop it from happening so the slots would be better used for other suggestions.
Hyrtakos2007-11-26 20:25:37
Tone it down (make more actions possible, though not necessarily tumble), make it faster to writhe out of, and let them be able to impale arms somehow as well.

You make pinning easier to deal with, while at the same time giving blademasters a reason to realize their foes have arms as well.
Desitrus2007-11-26 22:48:05
QUOTE(Catarin @ Nov 26 2007, 02:20 PM) 460420
I've never been an envoy so I don't really know what went on there. I just know that for awhile I was making pretty regular blademaster suggestions and was told it either wasn't getting through the envoy process due to various reasons including pin leg or it wouldn't even be suggested because it was felt that the existence of pin leg would stop it from happening so the slots would be better used for other suggestions.


I copy pasted the envoy discussions to you concerning it. This is where the friendly feud between Xenthos and I started. I also suggested a jab wound to forehead that went through three months after I left the position, so huzzah to that. Regardless, rebalancing blademasters to include a lessened pinleg but more options (like the other specs) I feel would be a viable solution.
Xenthos2007-11-26 23:12:14
QUOTE(Desitrus @ Nov 26 2007, 05:48 PM) 460460
I copy pasted the envoy discussions to you concerning it. This is where the friendly feud between Xenthos and I started. I also suggested a jab wound to forehead that went through three months after I left the position, so huzzah to that. Regardless, rebalancing blademasters to include a lessened pinleg but more options (like the other specs) I feel would be a viable solution.

I just went through and looked at it again-- the only comments on that discussion about Pinleg came from you, though maybe I missed the Envoy discussion that brought it up. I did manage to find a puissance idea that had another warrior envoy complain about pinleg (something like "Puissance + Pinleg? No!", but that was at the end of the discussion when it was pretty much died out anyways). So, don't be afraid to give your envoy a few ideas! (And don't be afraid to give your envoy ideas anyways-- at worst, they'll just say no, at best they'll find a way to modify it a bit so it'll go through).

I don't really think that a head affliction changed a whole lot with the class, though I will agree that a lot of the strength of the Blademaster, both as I was considering it then and now, is the pinleg. What I'd really like is some kind of an arm swing attack (something that allows Coule to do something beyond slashing an artery, if their arms are worked up, and isn't a "lunge until you get it" affliction like many of ours are), to go along with the lessened pinleg. If it's something decent, it'd be worthwhile-- we already have decent chest and leg jab afflictions (and I would say gut as well, even though it is a lesser impale, it's still not bad), though it would depend on the affliction and just how much pinleg is softened.