Unknown2007-11-28 07:52:13
QUOTE(Fualkner @ Nov 27 2007, 03:37 PM) 460583
I could go to Glom, but they don't like people in their forests.
We have a treaty with them. They will let you in the forest and let you harvest.
Xavius2007-11-28 07:55:02
QUOTE(Greleag @ Nov 28 2007, 01:52 AM) 460698
We have a treaty with them. They will let you in the forest and let you harvest.
No, really, that clause was suspended. Go kill Revan.
Unknown2007-11-28 12:26:54
QUOTE(Fualkner @ Nov 27 2007, 03:56 PM) 460588
Well, Iola just came out of the bushes, like, 3 days ago and shouted "GET OUTTA MY FOREST!" I'd done nothing wrong, I'd killed nothing, never harvested to extiction, I'm not an enemy, never even gave a Serenwilde the Eyebrow. And yet... thrown out.
I could try a negotiation, but I need names. People that have a bit of power in Seren and Glom.
I'd be willing to replant 15% of what I harvest, if that's nessessary, or donate it. Whateva.
I could try a negotiation, but I need names. People that have a bit of power in Seren and Glom.
I'd be willing to replant 15% of what I harvest, if that's nessessary, or donate it. Whateva.
Everyone who knows will tell you that Derian runs the Serenwilde, behind-the-scenes. He secretly holds all of the power, and can let you harvest hordes of herbs, so long as you pay him tribute.
QUOTE(Cuber @ Nov 27 2007, 09:28 PM) 460638
ICly, it's roleplaying. Serenwilde people don't like Magnagorans much.
OOCly, you don't lose a lot. Trade skills which aren't alchemy or enchantment give crappy gold anyway. The only person to make a fortune on herbs (Iasmos) would receive an even larger fortune if he spent that time hunting or questing.
EDIT: Noola, to quote Firefly, "You're a lunatic".
No offense, but I just have yet to find any other person cheering when they get into trouble.
OOCly, you don't lose a lot. Trade skills which aren't alchemy or enchantment give crappy gold anyway. The only person to make a fortune on herbs (Iasmos) would receive an even larger fortune if he spent that time hunting or questing.
EDIT: Noola, to quote Firefly, "You're a lunatic".
No offense, but I just have yet to find any other person cheering when they get into trouble.
Herbs are pretty good for gold. You just have to know which ones to harvest. Any herbs used for health potions are very easy to sell, and mana/ego come in a close second. You can almost always find something you can make money on. It won't always be a worthwhile investment, though, since hunting can net you a lot of gold at higher levels. Sparkleberries, though, change everything. They alone make the skillset worthwhile for money. You forgot to mention Krellan as someone who made a ton of gold off of sparkleberries alone. Granted, he gamed the system, but it was still a lot of money.
QUOTE(Arak @ Nov 28 2007, 12:17 AM) 460677
...Although I would like to point out that auto-harvesting is a crime, and should never be done...
This is partially true. What you mentioned is perfectly legal. There is nothing wrong with having an alias, something like "harvest 25 galingale" that will harvest that many galingale in the room. You could even have a script where you just have to type HERBS and it will harvest down to 10 (or 5, or whatever) of every herb there. That's all legal; the catch is that you have to manually move yourself around and check herbs to ensure some player interaction.
Gwylifar2007-11-28 21:41:14
I think the poisonists of the world (both of them) are weeping and laughing at this idea that you can complain about not being allowed to go where your trade requires you to go.
Xenthos2007-11-28 21:48:40
QUOTE(Gwylifar @ Nov 28 2007, 04:41 PM) 460856
I think the poisonists of the world (both of them) are weeping and laughing at this idea that you can complain about not being allowed to go where your trade requires you to go.
There are no Seren, Magnagoran, or Celestian poisonists?
I guess that explains some things, but if that's the case... your point is gone, since Glomdoring poisonists have access to all poison critters.
(Note: Not completely serious, just saying there are maybe four, instead of two!)
Krellan2007-11-28 22:44:02
herbs is a waste of time nowaday. Back then it was awesome when everything was 10 per and above. Nowaday, you're better off bashing for gold. Of course, if you don't have that time or are new and don't know some spots, herbs is still a good fallback over all other tradeskills since it's effortless, and you can do it half assed and multitasking. It's a shame that alchemy's profitability has fallen so much. It used to be better than the basic herbs. They can blame newbie herbalists for that though.
Xenthos2007-11-28 22:45:19
QUOTE(Krellan @ Nov 28 2007, 05:44 PM) 460879
herbs is a waste of time nowaday. Back then it was awesome when everything was 10 per and above. Nowaday, you're better off bashing for gold. Of course, if you don't have that time or are new and don't know some spots, herbs is still a good fallback over all other tradeskills since it's effortless, and you can do it half assed and multitasking. It's a shame that alchemy's profitability has fallen so much. It used to be better than the basic herbs. They can blame newbie herbalists for that though.
I never sold herbs at 10 per or above, excepting horehound, merbloom, and sparkleberry-- and still made a ton of money.
Zacc2007-11-28 22:46:47
QUOTE(Arak @ Nov 28 2007, 01:17 AM) 460677
Also, even more on topic, the small forest that was mentioned (outside of Seren and Glom) is very rarely harvested in, so in all likelihood the rooms will be full of herbs in the 40-60 amounts. Very worthwhile, especially since there are swamp rooms connected for those rare herbs you're always looking for. Give it a try if you know where it is.
There are two forests. One in Tolberolla (sp) and Bondaro (sp) Bay. The one in the bay is rarely harvested, but that's because it's usually void of herbs since it's not often replanted (save for the swamp spots). I replant it whenever I need herbs, but the odds of someone coming by and stripping it or harvesting the majority of them is high. I always forget that I've replanted it and having to walk there all the time is a pain (I save my milestone for more important uses). The one in the valley is often void of herbs too (some people do grow druid saplings there..) and is about half the size of the one in the bay. They really should open up a neutral forest area of decent size (Ackleberry!).
Where are my cosmic herbs??
Fualkner2007-11-28 23:21:23
Stop trying to convince me that herbing isn't profitable. I've made at least 25,000 selling common herbs that I can harvest. That's alot for me.
Anyway, sent a letter to Glom, asking to herb. The descision is still out thought...
Anyway, sent a letter to Glom, asking to herb. The descision is still out thought...
Krellan2007-11-28 23:36:12
But I said it was the most profitable?
I'm just saying it's not as efficient. My herb sales have net me minimally 20k and up to 240k in a single sale
I'm just saying it's not as efficient. My herb sales have net me minimally 20k and up to 240k in a single sale
Unknown2007-11-29 00:53:11
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Nov 28 2007, 03:48 PM) 460861
There are no Seren, Magnagoran, or Celestian poisonists?
I guess that explains some things, but if that's the case... your point is gone, since Glomdoring poisonists have access to all poison critters.
I guess that explains some things, but if that's the case... your point is gone, since Glomdoring poisonists have access to all poison critters.
The only ones that matter are in Glomdoring.
Though, since doing the quest for the adders requires you to sit on your ass in Serenwilde for extended periods of time, getting Anatine at all is blind luck for a Glom poisonist. And it's the one poison that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER WANTS... but no one can be bothered to revive the damn adders.
And anyone who says herbs isn't great gold is only fooling themselves. Yes, you can do better with bashing, but only if you really know what you're doing. Herbs beats out pretty much every other trade for profitability and is by far the easiest to actually tend to. Just need the time to harvest.
Arak2007-11-29 01:45:06
Don't try and convince people to become herbalists. All it does is create a horde of adept harvesters who sell ridiculous amounts of galingale or whatever for extremely low prices that destroy the market. You damn alchemists might like that in the short term, but it's ultimately economy-destroying.
Krellan2007-11-29 02:14:38
QUOTE(Arak @ Nov 28 2007, 07:45 PM) 460914
Don't try and convince people to become herbalists. All it does is create a horde of adept harvesters who sell ridiculous amounts of galingale or whatever for extremely low prices that destroy the market. You damn alchemists might like that in the short term, but it's ultimately economy-destroying.
Ironically enough, that eventually destroyed alchemy's profits as I mentioned. People now buy herbs before getting a keg because they're much cheaper. After that, all an alchemist can get is service charge+powerstone costs. Service charges then get lower and lower as people compete for for business. Clearly, the solution is to put every herb on astral where the newbs cannot get them.
Unknown2007-11-29 02:23:50
QUOTE(Krellan @ Nov 28 2007, 05:44 PM) 460879
herbs is a waste of time nowaday. Back then it was awesome when everything was 10 per and above. Nowaday, you're better off bashing for gold. Of course, if you don't have that time or are new and don't know some spots, herbs is still a good fallback over all other tradeskills since it's effortless, and you can do it half assed and multitasking. It's a shame that alchemy's profitability has fallen so much. It used to be better than the basic herbs. They can blame newbie herbalists for that though.
Have to agree with Krellan here.
When I first started as an herbalist, I was able to harvest Galingale and sell it at 10 gold per piece. As time went on, people kept selling it for less and less. By the time I switched to the Celestines, there were people selling it at 6 gold per piece. I never dropped my prices that low, I kept them at 10, but it made making deals more difficult, especially when you would announce on the market that you were selling it, and someone would immediately announce that they were selling it at half the cost.
Most of my sales started going to the big shop owners, who needed so much it didn't really matter who they bought it from.
Xavius2007-11-29 03:04:34
QUOTE(Krellan @ Nov 28 2007, 08:14 PM) 460920
Ironically enough, that eventually destroyed alchemy's profits as I mentioned. People now buy herbs before getting a keg because they're much cheaper. After that, all an alchemist can get is service charge+powerstone costs. Service charges then get lower and lower as people compete for for business. Clearly, the solution is to put every herb on astral where the newbs cannot get them.
I've always gotten dirt cheap herbs from Xenthos and made triple what health potions cost me for a tiny fraction of the effort. You almost have to sell them that high in stores or it gets bought out so fast that your herbalists cry.
Aison2007-11-29 03:51:44
Become Celestian and you can harvest anywhere but Mag . Even then, you'd be able to harvest Earth every once in a while... >.>
Krellan2007-11-29 04:06:45
I wish they didn't nerf nature guard. Damn you city people
Unknown2007-11-29 04:10:06
QUOTE(Aison @ Nov 28 2007, 10:51 PM) 460940
Become Celestian and you can harvest anywhere but Mag . Even then, you'd be able to harvest Earth every once in a while... >.>
Unless you're an Aquamancer/Celestine. >.>
Xenthos2007-11-29 04:11:55
QUOTE(Krellan @ Nov 28 2007, 11:06 PM) 460948
I wish they didn't nerf nature guard. Damn you city people
+ Warriors. Don't remember if Bards were around then or not, they may have been-- if so, + Bards too.
Revan2007-11-29 04:25:03
QUOTE(Xavius @ Nov 27 2007, 02:40 PM) 460584
Oh, we'll throw you out too if you didn't get prior permission and hear the terms of the tithe. You can blame Revan for that one.
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