I'm going to try playing Lusternia again... my last couple attempts at this failed due to CMUD/vista problems and programming burnout. My goal is to go back to making imbued bottles and selling them in a shop, maybe even an aethershop though those are pretty expensive where as right now without one I could just jump in and start playing (if not PvPing =P).

My question is though... in order to make me bottles I need as much charisma as possible! I've calculated that at my current rate I can make 2-5 100% imbued items per day without getting too bored. That is only 20-50k gold a day though, so I need more charisma. I want to remain a tae'dae. I have been thinking about going back to Glomdoring and doing night ebonguard (crow if/when I finish a fighting system) and probably finishing off dramatics, but surely there are ways to raise charisma that I can do on my own (not counting things like astrology buffs) which I am not thinking of. Anyone want to help me out by listing them for me? Thank you =)

Netzach, if you decide to take highmagic.

Don't think Night Ebonguard get anymore. Except for titan/demigod, I guess.

Penumbra within Night most certainly does raise charisma, but I think he knows that already considering him wanting to start with that and saying for pk he'll be switching.

Cha blessing and that other thing, what's it called, Penumbra. A solid +4 weight, coupled with netzach that's +5 weight and leads to +3 gain to Cha, I think.

Thrones!

Oh yeah, totally forgot!
So, throne, chablessing, penumbra, netzach
+7 which translates into...+4
Woot!

Um, no. Totems is a pre-requisite for Night, which requires low magic. Netzach is high magic - no netzach for Night users. Beyond penumbra, karma blessing, and throne, the only ways to get more CHA would be through a herofete and the astrology lion sphere. Herofete would only be +1, which wouldn't be enough to get you anywhere (+6 and +7 weight are both +4 CHA overall) Assuming the lion sphere has good alignment, though, it can give +2 or +3, which would be enough to put you at +8 weight and a upper limit of +5 CHA.

Not that I know from experience or anything.

Low Magic is not a pre-req for Totems. Ebonguard and Serenguard have always been able to take High Magic as an option, else no one would have been able to in the original communes before tracking and bards came around.

Aaand what's sad is that all that still doesn't make an Illithoid a viable influencer. And that's just a real disappointment. With innate psychic ability, Illithoid's should really be able to influence, dammit. You shouldn't need to be an Illithoid Shadowdancer Astrologer Cook just to be able to influence for 1 hour at the cost of a ton of food.

Bardic Presence. +2 cha for about 15 lessons. Plus you get to be a bard at no extra cost!

Are you being influenced?

More importantly, are you spoons in a safe, non-bending container?

Throne, beauty blessing, netzach, bardic presence also is 7 weight. Celestines have a +1 cha skill, which is 6 weight, which I think is the same boost to cha as 7.

Careful though with pumping your cha up too much, because you can outpace your sipping to such an extreme that it becomes dangerous. Tae'dae shouldn't be quite as dangerous do to their sip bonus, but its still something to pay attention to.

Is a throne something I carry with me and plop down and sit in when I influence something? Sounds kinda silly Or does it go in a house/aethermanse? I can't remember If it just goes in an aethermanse and gives you a bonus I'd probably spring for the aethershop.

I have lowmagic because of poisons, it's trans, so I don't think I'll switch to highmagic, major lesson loss there And to get bardic presence I have to quit the knight profession right? I <3 axelord even though I haven't fought much with it because the number of attack types matches my g15 keyboard pretty well.

Also, how does pumping cha outpace sipping? Is the counter attack of denizens in ego battles based on max cha or does the bromide sipping not scale (as much?). And if anyone wants to explain how this stat weighting works for me that'd be nice too... I'm pretty out of the loop.

P.S. Someone PM me what Amaru did/said that got him shrubbed. I am assuming usage of death tarots has gone down 300% in his absence.

You're gunna burn out real quick again if you only think of your character in terms of how you are gunna make money.

The outpacing comment, I think, refers to the fact that with higher charisma, you'll be doing your influence attacks faster, but the ego drain from each attack you make stays the same, so you're losing more ego over time. Personally, though, I think the inflation of your total ego would make up for it.

Influencing speed is based on cha. So, if you hit your alias or have a system that makes you influence again as soon as you regain equilibrium, you'll outpace your sipping by a long way if you have 20+ cha. It basically means that you'll be attacking 2-3 times for every sip, and as you get further into an influence with certain denizens like Quettle, you can accidentally rock yourself if you aren't careful.

Like I said though, it shouldn't be too big of a deal as a tae'dae because of your sip bonus, but I just thought I'd mention it.

It doesn't, really. Not if you're influencing as fast as you can. Before weighting I would build up crazy charisma and knocked myself out when testing my influencing system against Quettle. Its only dangerous when you're used to a slower speed, so you're used to your sip coming shortly after you attack, and when that suddenly doesn't happen, you can let yourself drop too low.

You need to have a manse or somewhere in your commune to build a throne (if in the commune, then you need to have Divine permission, I think).

Thrones are incredibly expensive (upwards near 70-100k+), and add +2 cha, which lasts until you QQ. The thrones last 300 months or so. You could also ask to build it in a ship you have access to, or in a manse a friend would have. The throne MUST be tuned to you when it's made, or it will not add any charisma to your stats.

Hope that answers all your questions!

SAW.. you may want to try using 's instead of <>'s... that'll help your posts, just so you know. BBcode, instead of HTML...

That said... I have a question... what exactly are those bottles used for?

Alcohol raises my -perceived- Charisma, but I'm informed it does not increase my -actual- Charisma.