Xenthos2007-12-10 20:19:36
Level 80 is nowhere near 80% to 100...
Rika2007-12-10 20:23:17
Shamarah2007-12-10 20:24:12
Zacc, I could kill lots and lots of people as Ciban, including skilled warriors considerably above his might, and he has only marginally more skills than you do. Stop whining and lrn2fight.
And, yeah, combat is balanced assuming everyone is like level 75-85, if you're not then that's your problem. And level 80 is like 10% of the way to level 100, not 80%.
And, yeah, combat is balanced assuming everyone is like level 75-85, if you're not then that's your problem. And level 80 is like 10% of the way to level 100, not 80%.
Rika2007-12-10 20:27:18
QUOTE(Zacc @ Dec 11 2007, 05:14 AM) 463966
By the way, I'm sure I spent plenty more hours on this character than some of those people who "have paid money/put in excessive time & effort in order to get their characters to where they are".
Good. Then I expect you with enough gold/in-game credits to get yourself the skills needed. Now, you were saying?
Forren2007-12-10 21:20:30
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Dec 10 2007, 03:24 PM) 464043
Stop whining and lrn2fight.
Unknown2007-12-11 03:49:11
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Dec 10 2007, 02:24 PM) 464043
And level 80 is like 10% of the way to level 100, not 80%.
This makes me so depressed.
Zacc. You whine so much it makes ME cry. THAT IS A BAD THING. Your whining is just...I don't know...it's bad. It dosen't even make sense and what you are suggesting...it is just not plausible. Bards=easiest class in the game. If you can't make bards work...just wow. Maybe combat isn't your thing.
Here is what you need to do. Change your panties, put on your big boy pants, and move on with your life.
Acrune2007-12-11 03:55:45
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Dec 10 2007, 03:19 PM) 464040
Level 80 is nowhere near 80% to 100...
Ignoring titan/demigod buffs, its 80% of the effect of level 100. I doubt he was referring to the exact experience required to get there.
Acrune2007-12-11 03:56:32
QUOTE(Bianca @ Dec 10 2007, 10:49 PM) 464161
This makes me so depressed.
Then get to level 92-93, and be happy in the knowledge that you're about half way there!
Shiri2007-12-11 04:01:06
EDIT: Acrune is right. Actually he's understating it. Level 94 is about 40% of the way there. Enjoy!
Acrune2007-12-11 04:02:14
I'm always right
Ildaudid2007-12-11 04:07:43
hehe yeah Celina wont be up there anytime soon, it is the most god awful boring thing to do. I have to get started bashing again but man I really dont want to grind that much now.... grrrr I will soon tho.
Murphy2007-12-11 04:11:43
QUOTE(Zacc @ Dec 11 2007, 02:14 AM) 463966
@Murphy: it takes far far far more investments to defend against a warrior than it does a bard. I could care less if others have transed skills. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how the game is incredibly unbalanced unless you do have transed skills. If you did some reading, you'd know that that's what I've been saying. Level 80 is not medium. Level 80 is past 50%.. it's 80% to lvl 100. If that's medium for hp, there's another flaw in the game right there. By the way, I'm sure I spent plenty more hours on this character than some of those people who "have paid money/put in excessive time & effort in order to get their characters to where they are". So don't even bother including time in all of this. Excessive wounds makes it easier to re-afflict. Actually, I beg to differ about envoys. They all seem to be high level, multi transed players. And yet, somehow there is no balance in the game. Go figure. That says all it needs to say.
@Geb: same thing to you on the time, effort and money issue. I in no way expect to be comparable, not even with the best system (btw, quite a few combatants don't use a system they created themselves, go figure), to players of higher level and skill. That's not what I'm asking for. I'm asking for balance at SAME level, SAME lessons. A class's usefulness should not rely on being transed or highly skilled. Yes, being highly skilled is definitely a benefit and makes them even stronger, but until that point is reached, the class is almost useless (this doesn't apply to all classes as each as its own pros and cons in that regard). Once again, the game should not revolve around achieving high level and high skills to be of any use. And "lack" of levels? What, 74 is not a lack. Maybe I'm failing at my math or something, but 74 > 50 (50 is half). If 74 is a lack, then there's yet another problem with the game. Jesus christ, if the game is meant to be enjoyed (I'm sure we all agree that Lusternia is based around pvp conflict), they might as well hand out xp pills that give you 50 levels instantly, since everyone seems to believe that it's a game/admin requirement to be max leveled, max trained to be effective /at all/. Any level under 80 and you're still a novice. WTF is that? Brilliance at its best!
I'd also like to point out that if I transed every single skill availabe to me right now, I'd still be useless against warriors, especially if they hit over 1k a hit (no arties, no multi transed, no higher level). As it is, I'm lucky if I can recover 1k health with the combo of scrolls, health, and sparkleberry. And warriors hit faster than sparkleberry balance, go figure. That's not balanced. Hindering? Oh, sure, if I was near transed. Bard hindering doesn't come into play until being highly trained (I'd come up with a percentage, but I can't access the Scyring Pool right now.. some weird trojan keeps popping up- and I know it's not on my pc). But yeah, even if I had a great system, at current (lvl 74 faeling bard at medium amount of lessons invested, fighting a like leveled warrior with same amount of lessons) there's no way I could win.
And none of this confronts the issue of bashing. That's a whole different argument (actually, it's almost the same).
@Geb: same thing to you on the time, effort and money issue. I in no way expect to be comparable, not even with the best system (btw, quite a few combatants don't use a system they created themselves, go figure), to players of higher level and skill. That's not what I'm asking for. I'm asking for balance at SAME level, SAME lessons. A class's usefulness should not rely on being transed or highly skilled. Yes, being highly skilled is definitely a benefit and makes them even stronger, but until that point is reached, the class is almost useless (this doesn't apply to all classes as each as its own pros and cons in that regard). Once again, the game should not revolve around achieving high level and high skills to be of any use. And "lack" of levels? What, 74 is not a lack. Maybe I'm failing at my math or something, but 74 > 50 (50 is half). If 74 is a lack, then there's yet another problem with the game. Jesus christ, if the game is meant to be enjoyed (I'm sure we all agree that Lusternia is based around pvp conflict), they might as well hand out xp pills that give you 50 levels instantly, since everyone seems to believe that it's a game/admin requirement to be max leveled, max trained to be effective /at all/. Any level under 80 and you're still a novice. WTF is that? Brilliance at its best!
I'd also like to point out that if I transed every single skill availabe to me right now, I'd still be useless against warriors, especially if they hit over 1k a hit (no arties, no multi transed, no higher level). As it is, I'm lucky if I can recover 1k health with the combo of scrolls, health, and sparkleberry. And warriors hit faster than sparkleberry balance, go figure. That's not balanced. Hindering? Oh, sure, if I was near transed. Bard hindering doesn't come into play until being highly trained (I'd come up with a percentage, but I can't access the Scyring Pool right now.. some weird trojan keeps popping up- and I know it's not on my pc). But yeah, even if I had a great system, at current (lvl 74 faeling bard at medium amount of lessons invested, fighting a like leveled
And none of this confronts the issue of bashing. That's a whole different argument (actually, it's almost the same).
Wow I really hope this is a joke or a bad attempt at trolling. Absolutely ridiculous nonsense 100%. Learn the damn game and in the meantime. Stop posting. Please for the sake of sanity. You are clearly ignorant about all things in this game, and should suicide your character right away before anyone else catches fail from you.
Some more points:
1. Lvl 92-93 is about 50% to 100.
2. Game is balanced at omnitrans. Go buy the damn skills or quit your bitching. This is a commercial mud.
3. I assure you a bard is capable of winning fights with minimum health. Learn2parry/stance.
EDIT: Those kinds of comments are not acceptable.
Acrune2007-12-11 04:16:23
I've gotta get demi
Acrune2007-12-11 04:25:53
QUOTE(Murphy @ Dec 10 2007, 11:11 PM) 464179
Some more points:
1. Lvl 92-93 is about 50% to 100.
2. Game is balanced at omnitrans. Go buy the damn skills or quit your bitching. This is a commercial mud.
3. I assure you a bard is capable of winning fights with minimum health. Learn2parry/stance
1. Lvl 92-93 is about 50% to 100.
2. Game is balanced at omnitrans. Go buy the damn skills or quit your bitching. This is a commercial mud.
3. I assure you a bard is capable of winning fights with minimum health. Learn2parry/stance
1) Yeah, but see my comment above. I doubt he was talking about xp numbers.
2) Yeah.
3) Not at low skill levels. Bards don't have much for DMP, so if you don't dodge much, you're going to be hurting.
Zacc, basically what it comes down to is that you need to learn more skills. Once your dodging is up, and you learn a lot of glamours, get a lot of combat and resilience, you're going to be fine. There's no way a game can be balanced around low skilled players. It just doesn't work, and doesn't make business sense. Fight people of your skill, get credits somehow, and improve yourself.
Krellan2007-12-11 05:05:53
Aww stop editing out Murphy I didn't even get to read what he wrote yet. Zacc is like Krin except we can actually read his words. And yes, he does believe in everything he's been posting.
Acrune2007-12-11 05:09:38
QUOTE(Krellan @ Dec 11 2007, 12:05 AM) 464215
Aww stop editing out Murphy I didn't even get to read what he wrote yet. Zacc is like Krin except we can actually read his words. And yes, he does believe in everything he's been posting.
Nah, edit Murphy more, except instead of just taking away what he says, insert stuff about how cute the fluffy bunnies are, and how his favorite panties are pink.
Shiri2007-12-11 05:11:30
QUOTE(Acrune @ Dec 11 2007, 05:09 AM) 464219
Nah, edit Murphy more, except instead of just taking away what he says, insert stuff about how cute the fluffy bunnies are, and how his favorite panties are pink.
And the operation he's going in for... (I hope more people than just me remember that.)
Xenthos2007-12-11 05:17:31
QUOTE(Shiri @ Dec 11 2007, 12:11 AM) 464222
And the operation he's going in for... (I hope more people than just me remember that.)
Indeed. Relics, we are. Remnants of an old time, with many bittersweet memories.
Murphy2007-12-11 05:18:46
Die in a fire both of you
Unknown2007-12-11 05:48:27
*laughs* Flame wars for everyone!
But seriously... the hardest part of Lusternia is learning the combat system, and why is that? Because it's a commercial MUD and that's what they're there for. If you want something easy to combat in, go find a DIKU/ROM MUD and bash your heart out in a nice, easy PK environment.
But seriously... the hardest part of Lusternia is learning the combat system, and why is that? Because it's a commercial MUD and that's what they're there for. If you want something easy to combat in, go find a DIKU/ROM MUD and bash your heart out in a nice, easy PK environment.