My champ arty was adding 39 damage, of course I wasn't thrilled.

It's PrincessFarewell, which gives aeon, blackout, and stun all at once.

Why not have minor second damage scaled by percentage of ego remaining?

For example, x% ego means you do x% of full minor second damage. That means bards might hit initially pretty hard, but they won't maintain it. It gives them a targettable weakness (although not too much of one), and in leiu of basing song damage on charisma like I think it should be, justifies why songs drain ego and makes sense.

As a percentage function, it won't be abuseable by high-levels or buffs in doing massive damage, but will make it easier to maintain damage output with those advantages.

WHAT?! A skill like that actually exists? I had no idea...do cantors just never use it for some reason? Why does Celest get the ur'bard?

Chill, Cantors never use it because its crappy, not worth the 3p at all.

All the bards get a song like that. I don't know why they never use it, something to do with stanzas I think.

Every bard has a 3p three affliction song.

Every fighter has a quicksilver vial.

How do you propose they stick that aeon?

The stanza thing has sorta been fixed. The commune's songs were moved to high stanza, but the cities' haven't been. Reason for that has been removed because I've been mean enough today and I don't feel like being mean anymore. I just hope it will be fixed without requiring another envoy slot.

First. team with a Celestine. Second, I'd be more worried about the stun/blackout. Blackout against a bard? Bad. But since they don't use it..no biggy

Or, alternatively, what if bard damage was based on the target's percentage of ego? 40-100% damage based their remaining ego, so if you fight someone who is very self-possessed they aren't hurt very much by scary noises, but if they are emotionally shattered they take much more damage. I don't know, it could make sense... somehow.

True, but not all of them do the same as Starhymn.







And, to the bane of dreamweavers everywhere (unless they fixed/removed it):

Me likes Avaer's idea. Mugwump bards would fail. Elfen and Faeling +++.

The power song in Wildarrane isn't HartsDream, but WhiteHorn.

In any case...

Xavius, man, have you lost your mind? I remember Celina saying that I did 1600 damage to her, which was with Titan+Magic Enhancement Rune+War Blessing+Truefavour. Okay, even if that's normal damage for a bard, you're asking that we cut it down to 640. I could reliably (and with nearly all the buffs I can give myself) deal 640 damage with a minorsecond.

Now, we envoyed that the stun be taken off blanknote. There is thus NO REASON for Celina to stop eating earwort. She will have the earache for about 9 seconds after I blanknote her, but then she can be safe. By the time I regain balance from blanknote, I have time for two acts IF I'm fast. I can minorsecond twice, dealing 1280 damage. I can give achromatic aura and then minorsecond once, for 960 damage. If I want to use the drain on her, I have to FIRST stick ego vice and mana barbs, which cannot happen within that 9-second window.

There's no way that I could outstrip her sipping like that. The only thing I could hope is that she has to eat other herbs instead of earwort, so my window is forced larger. Even so, I have no way of stopping her from sipping, reading scrolls, or eating sparkleberry.

This is where the tertiary comes in, of course. From what I understand, all three options are designed for afflictions. Glamours is obviously the top choice, but it shouldn't be. It isn't right to force music to revolve around glamours. We should be working to ensure that all the tertiaries are equal and well-balanced to the primary skills. Thankfully, no other archetype uses glamours, so we can try to push it around however we like to make it fit - but I don't want to keep seeing glamours as a REQUIREMENT for being a decent bard fighter.

The stun was a problem. Please let it be removed. Then we can talk about whether to nerf bard damage and by how much.

In the meantime, talk about glamours. I definitely think it's overdone. In fact, if you want to sit down with me and come up with a whole LIST of potential nerfs to it, I'm game. Despite the fact that I put in the 'fix' that made Maze absolutely insane (sorry, folks), I have never hesitated to reasonable consider nerfing my own achetype.

Now have some

Remove ze stun, I zay.

Then I can start sparring bards when I come back in winterbreak, and not be frustrated!