We have the problems we have because of people who say 'I will grief you if you join Seren' and actually mean it.

What you seem to fail to realize is that while one 3% death is not much different than one 0 exp death, multiple 3% deaths over time are. So while the person with Lich could feasibly only gain experience every time he/she bashes, the person without it still has to overcome the deficit caused by deaths to generate a gain. Also, if the difference between no experience loss and 3% experience loss was not such a big deal, then those with no experience loss on death abilities should not complain so much about the pretty rare occasions they are stripped of that protection.

So essentially I am saying it goes both ways on complaints. If those without experience loss avoidance defenses should not be complaining about them, then those with them should not be complaining about people seeking to strip them of those defenses or killing them multiple times to nullify those defenses. In the end, the experience loss incurred from those rare praying deaths, do not amount to the accrued experience loss incurred by those who lose experience every time they die.

I only lose xp when I fight off-Prime. Do you think that makes me focus my efforts on Prime?

(Ok, it does, but that's because raiding Ethereal Serenwilde isn't feasible.)

while we have abilities to stop praying you get bonuses that make it easier to kill us so with that extra 3% chance to kill your target. does that not help you out when it really comes down to it?

I get bonuses to kill you?

Yeah. You have that elusive thing called combat skill.

Damn, Celest is so OP.

Nerf benediction.

I think he might have meant radiance, but that's so irrelevant that even if we give him that benefit of the doubt it's still better to disregard it.

I like how when you dont have a real reply you get into personal attacks.

Forren's question was valid. Feel free to answer it.

(Though yes, you do, Forren. Demigod is definitely "bonuses to kill people." It's just not solely Celest's province.)

Your posts are nonsensical so it is difficult to reply I suppose. Could you clarify what you mean by a "bonus" in killing you that offsets the no-experience loss for lich?

well unless your nexus world crypt or whatever celest has (not been in celest in a long time) does nothing. yes you have a replacement bonus if its not good don't jump on lich why not try and get your bonus to be useful?

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Right. I suggest doing a search for "angelfont" in the forums and carry on from there.

Uh... our construct makes Rez and Sacrifice cost 0p for people with the angelic aura. We still need the body - similar to Resurgam, btw - and/or soul, and neither are always available... bodies get stolen, people pray too quickly. Lich is like vitae (EDIT: And Conglute, to be fair), you die and you're guaranteed to be up again with minimal loss.

Though in the case of Resurgam, you can use ANY body whereas Resurrection requires YOUR body. But that's neither here nor there.

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Not sure what your comparing lich to. A. liche the skill compaired to the ressurection skills or B. construct liche to the actual skills because im not sure what the construct does but im sure it does something. I think people need to stop Compairing the construct buff with the skillset saccraments. Liche as a transskill isnt that bad. I mean its a transskill it has to be good. Liche as a construct wouldn't be that bad if from what i understand you just attempted to get your construct buff to be as useful.

...Wha?

u is needeng too lrn engrish

I was nice and cleaned it up as best as I could.

1. Compared the viability of the different res skills.
2. Compared the construct bonuses. You get free lich. We get free rezzes and sacrifices.

Point:
Lich always works provided it is not stripped; this is what makes it far from bad (no comment on whether or not it should be changed, I'm not an envoy). Resurrection and sacrifice do not because we cannot always get the body/spirit in time. Our construct bonus and the related skills are useful, but they're not a surefire thing like Vitae, Conglutination, and... Lich, both from the construct and from the skill.


EDIT: Trying to understand what you're saying, but the words you're typing apparently don't equate to the ideas you're thinking.

Well if your bonus isnt as good attempt to make in as good? instead of attempting to kill liche.