What are you talking about? Tidesweep is a 3 power ability that knocks every enemy prone and off-balance for a second at most (It is on a 4 second base balance recovery). It in no way pushes anyone into another room. Also, your ideas seem to come from watching anime cartoons; they don't seem to come from any sort of knowledge about balance or game mechanics.

he was refearing to mount + trample combo with all prone. I think it's funny you say that Geb, considering I suggested skrimish abilities awhile ago and looky look what new monk got gank ability. I do like the concept cause it fits for skrimish if it was improved some.

I suggest you take your rants to rants thread and keep ideas for ideas.

and it pays of behing creative of new things, if it is unbalanced its possible to get tweaked, but monks need skrimish abilities.

You really need a new line-- this "Hey, you don't like my idea, so go away and don't post here" thing is getting old.

And no, this had nothing to do with the "skirmish" thread.

the forum trolls are rushing in for defence!

Seriously, i post ideas cause it is a skrimish ability for monks if you dont like it go away wherever you came from and continue whatever you do, dont come here to hijack a thread with constructive ideas, you contribute with nothing but whining.

Get back on topic.

If the effects are too strong its always possible for tweaking.

I hereby appoint you to Junior Forum Troll in the Offices of Krin, Gabranth, and Ildaudid. Congratulations on your new title!

No more off-topic silliness. Back to the original chaindrag discussion.

EDIT: That means you too, Tzu.

I'm still thinking - shield stops it, there's a time delay where they can writhe. Size already factors in (or should if it doesn't) which prevents the move.

Size benefits to writhing should... you know, give a benefit. So saying this ability would be worthless against small people... yeah, and? I'm of the same opinion regarding grapples - they shouldn't be made to work on the super tiny reliably or else why bother with the size benefits to writhing? The super tiny will have much less resistance to being yanked, and it just becomes a matter of finding the right place to put the writhe time so you know what race opponent you can reliably get the effect on. Too small, they'll writhe out. Too large, they'll probably resist the pull.

Or if you want to get really nifty, base the writhe time around the chaindragger's int/dex, and have the chaindragger's strength factor into the likelihood of bypassing movement resistance.

EDIT: This post isn't necessary or appropriate either. The thread is visible to everyone. Stop posting here unless you have something about chaindrag to contribute.

Yes I am biased. I just admit it (unlike some) so if they had this skill, I may not like it, but I wouldn't sit there unshielded like a damn fool. I always shield so it wouldnt have bothered me in the slightest.... but I would have been jealous of the skill yea. It isn't to me a skill like some others that are blatantly OP, but will remain that way. If it was going through off bal/eq (which was a bug) I would complain too. But I would stop when the bug was fixed.

Well seeing that chaindrag was just an idea that was thrown around when discussing skills for ninjakari, it could have never been even put into the skillset. But the admins decided they liked the idea and implemented it. So that is where they are. They are also watching it closely (most likely with all new guilds/skillsets) to make sure it is balanced enough or not. So your whining to the admins is probably getting nothing positive from them, while they sit up in the heavens trying to figure out if it is too OP and needs any more tweaking. I would like to hope that being stopped by double block will not be one of them though. I do like it that you all think if you the squeaky wheel method it will get you your way.

So now you want it to be stopped by shield and double block?? haha I knew the nerf train was comin but wow..... ANd you even have timeslip which stops it as well... jeez you want it all don'tcha

And Malicia, it may need some tweaking, just like some other skills do as well.... but it being stopped by a free skill that you get when you start the damn game instead of only being stopped by a skill that is in riding and needs a mount, or a warrior only skill in athletics is just dumb.... Chain DRAG.... how about it drags the target and the blockers through since they are trying to stop the target from going.

@Xavius - take it easy. I am sorry if I am not allowed to defend myself or speak my mind..... Think about Shayle for a moment. Think about your feelings towards her. Now take that and imagine me feeling the same way about some people.... But I have a problem of speaking my mind. I do my best tho, I don't say half of the things I could say. I just (unlike you I guess) am the type of person who isn't going to put up with lies and other nonsense. And I am not trolling. I am giving an opinion on a matter. If you choose to disagree fine by me. But before you make major comments on anything (skillwise), try the skill, be involved with the skill first.

Ok, noone likes this? but dont it look soo cool? Like for example, someone would chain grab, and then someone else will run on top of the chain to deliver some head wounds.. or maybe to deliver the next chaingrab.. but this time, he runs to the other room.. and now, two of them are pulling you apart..

So at least it can be setup from one room initially, and it ends up with two people chaingrabbing you from different rooms..

kia!

Tripleflash is 10p.... by the time I gain 5p to scissorkick I wont be tripleflashing anymore

Forren's idea really makes the most sense. It fixes the balance issues that chaindrag has right now and is the most elegant of the solutions so far. Allow chaindrag to be stopped by double blocking.

This change would still have advantages to beckon. Notably, you are able to chaindrag on Celestia, but a demon's beckon would not be possible. In addition, it works when the target is off-balance and off-equilibrium, which, as has been seen over the past few days, has been a significant advantage since it is possible to just mash the chaindrag alias in the hopes that someone dropped their shield for a split second and do this continuously with no real risk to yourself and no actual power cost. Also, from what I have heard, it has been possible to attempt a chaindrag while prone.

It makes sense for chaindrag to be stopped by blocking as it is physical movement which blocking is designed to stop (being the point of the skill). The other movement skills (rad and summon) involve mystical/aether movement so are not stopped by blocking. Therefore, in terms of both balance and logical sense, the only actual change chaindrag needs at this moment is to be stopped by double blocking.

I honestly can't believe anyone on the MMC is acting like they haven't heard this before. I honestly can't believe they are taking the "Immortals saw it, it must be right" stance. I really can't believe some of the crap Ildaudid is spewing in here and I really like the guy. Ild, you are directly contradicting your statements elsewhere, but to protect the sanctity of elsewhere, I am not going into specifics. Just stop it already. You all knew exactly what was coming, you got the wait and see approach, and people from all orgs have spoken out against it going through double block.

i disagree completly that this mud needs another gank skill. It should work as skrimish see

http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?showtopic=14342

(Not even allowed to voice my opinion here, cause it gets deleted so bring any thoughts of my ideas to that thread.)

Um...first of all, no one is acting like they haven't heard it before and/or didn't expect it to be nerfed/tweaked. Again, no one said because the Admins saw it it's fine, they're saying the Admins saw it and are looking very closely to see where it should be tweaked to bring it in balance (and this was only said as Aison was demanding Admin attention).
So, because you all want a skill nerfed, we should all lie back and not defend ourselves in the least? Yes, many people in the MMC have realized that the skill needs to be tweaked and mostly in this thread, we were debating how, not flaming one another
(Mostly).

EDIT: Honestly, we're not the demons you guys are making us out to be. Please, just stop flaming us. So what if you don't like our leadership?

I'm trying to keep Tzu's "discussion" and this discussion apart because of the trainwreck effect it's having on this thread. Things like forums and AIM breaking keep interfering with that plan though. Oh well, I'm going to sleep now, but if this thread still has any life in it when I wake up all the flamewar hijacking is getting moved to Tzu's thread or deleted, whichever.

EDIT: Deleting a previous post at the poster's request.

First of all, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the actual MMC who represents you on the Monk forums. This is why I have said they are contradicting previous statements (referring to things like everyone getting the skill).

Second, you said "Again, no one said because the Admins saw it it's fine, they're saying the Admins saw it and are looking very closely to see where it should be tweaked to bring it in balance (and this was only said as Aison was demanding Admin attention)." I will now point you to Ildaudid's post which says "Well seeing that chaindrag was just an idea that was thrown around when discussing skills for ninjakari, it could have never been even put into the skillset. But the admins decided they liked the idea and implemented it. So that is where they are. They are also watching it closely (most likely with all new guilds/skillsets) to make sure it is balanced enough or not."

Third, we have already debated these things. A million times over. Things are playing out exactly as predicted with skills like chain drag. Perhaps the skillset was a little rushed to capture some of that Christmas Credit action? This is a business, after all.

So please, stop crying about how everyone hates you and your leadership.

First, perhaps if you were talking to the MMC on the Monk forums you should have posted there?

Second, I don't see how that counters my point at all....

Third, yes, yes they are.

Um and I wasn't crying! I just would like for people to stop flaming the guild. Probably said that on the wrong thread though