He meant being pulled in and made prone as part of the effect. Forren's log shows a bug. There's a difference between bug and imbalance, ya know.

It just occurred to me why people are going on and on about prone - I didn't realize it until this moment. In other summon skills, you can't be moved while prone. Paralysis counts as prone (see the big PRONED in my prompt alerts. I honestly don't care as much about this.

I posted it because of the summoning off balance - Ildaudid, if you look at my prompt, it says "off" when I am off balance (it takes into account balance, eq, and psionic channels) and On when on balance. I had just used the telepathic attacks, so I was off balance. I'm assuming that if it allowed me to be chaindragged in that state, it would also allow me to be chaindragged if I was, say, off regular equilibrium.

EDIT: Also want to add that the "stand" command didn't go through til after I was in the pit. If it had gone through, you would have seen a line saying I stood up with a prompt below saying FREE!.

I mean causing the person to be prone or entangled upon entrance of the room, not what you are thinking. Them being prone should most certainly cause the chaindrag to hit, but it should not make them prone or entangled upon entering the room with me. Oh Xavius explained what I meant, see below.



Ok, just the other day, did you not run to the aid of someone? A GC who was calling for help to kill me? It may be an overstatement, but all the people I come across seem to call for help quite alot.



See I am not sure about that, I dunno... psi channel balance seems totally different than a physical off balance. Maybe it needs to be that way with psi channels, but wont it make mages immune if the sit and spam channels, or lock them (making them perma "off balance" (or does that not work that way... not sure). )



Exactomundo, that is what I meant.



Thats what I wasn't sure about, if it does it on psi off balance, it may not do it on physical off balances. See like truss for example, it works on prone. Yet webbing someone (which prones them) does not let truss fire. It seems as if truss only works on a true prone. So I was thinking that maybe they have it set up to work on "true" (physical) off balance/eq. And to go through on the psionic channel balances, since they don't seem to fit as a way to avoid chaindrag (well to me). I could be wrong like vale said 6sec bal time leave alot of opening, so maybe it should work. -shrug-

Psi channels behave just like balance and eq, except that sub/super/id are invisible to each other. You can't use a psi channel while off eq or balance, can't use eq or balance while off any psi channels. You -can- use one psi channel while off another psi channel.

Also, you can't use psi channels while prone.

Don't worry, locking channels doesn't count as being off balance - otherwise that would be insane! My system tracks it based on locked/not locked, so when I see OFF in the prompt, I'm really off balance. Psionic off-balance is like regular off-eq, just for much longer. It should count just the same.

Ok, I see. Well then yeah, you two are right. Chaindrag shouldn't hit off psionic balance then either. And yeah Forren, I was thinking about the locked thing, and was like WOW if it is that way . Thanks for clearing that up....



Ok as it stands (besides the Forren log, which hopefully was a bug that is being fixed).... how are people feeling about the drag now?

I think the loss of balance on the part of the monk was a good idea, if and only if we are keeping the bypassing of block. The balance loss is pretty long (it feels like, but then again I can't remember if I was a tae'dae when I did it or aslaran). So it even gives the "target" time to leave the room so to speak. I kinda feel it just made the skill less doable for 1 on 1 fighting, unless I can chaindrag into a waylay. In that case, it is still a decent 1 on 1 skill. But I can live with the changes made so far if the rest of the people deem the changes appropriate?

I personally would be fine with only a short balance loss for the monk as long as it doesn't go through prone/off balance/blockers.

You snuck in blockers. -neener- I want it to still go past the blockers

You're one of the few.

well like desitrus said, which I mis stated earlier, but giving chaindrag to all monks in a kata skillset. or at least placing it in stealth would be fair. Would you like it better the way it was or is if all monks had access to it?

But yes I am one of the few who like o bypass blocking. But if that is removed, then all the restriction that have been implemented in the past day should be removed also. Since if bypassing block is removed, why use a skill that has a long bal loss (which it had none like beckon before) and does all this other negative to the user but positive to the "victim" stuff. I am rambling I know, basically if they remove bypassing block they need to remove the restriction that they put in place.

It would be more balanced if all monks had it instead of just Magnagorans, but it still wouldn't be properly balanced, because the skill has undue impact.

But with all the restrictions just added aka the balance loss, the notice of the chain, the new lines, the time... etc it has been toned down alot. It cannot be spammed like beckon.

Beckon should not be spammable.

I could of sworn it was, but then again.... I don't play my cosmic hardly at all.. but I swore I could spam the crap outta if (you had to be on bal/eq but it took no bal/eq, from what I remember) then again it has been a while, they may have changed it.


Nihilists/Celestines, can you spam either targetted or untargetted beckon at all?

My fix:

Allow it to work when the target is prone (something no other summon skill does).
No working off-balance/eq.
No going through block.
Give beckon a short delay so you can no longer spam it.

He said "should not", not "cannot."

In the past, one kind of beckon was spammable, and the other wasn't. It seems like a bug but it hasn't been fixed in months.

Oh ok, I wasn't sure since communes didn't have access to it. And I couldnt remember if it was still spammable, my bad.

I'm pretty sure that the only way how beckon could be spammed is if it's a targeted beckon and the target is not in the room.
Room wilde beckon takes balance (or was it eq) and so does targeted one if the target has shield or resists in some other way.

I could actually think about that, since I could go in with TF, have someone follow me with scissorkick, knock out the blockers and the rest of the crew could drag everyone who is now... oh wait it would have to work off balance my bad :thwap:

Can you explain that? I did not understand why it would make it unbalanced.

What do you mean "Undue Impact" ?

The monks are in need of skrimish abilities, making it a gank skill is wrong.