Hello everyone, like 50% of the basin I succumbed and made myself a ninjakari alt. However when browsing the guild scrolls I came across something that seemed rather odd..I'm not sure if I am allowed to post guild scrolls here but I will summerise anyway. ((NB if you want to see them I have made a copy I can PM or post etc.)

Firstly:

Only those persons ranked Shidoshi (GR 6) may contest for the
position of Guild Champion, Guild Administrator, or Guild Master.

Surely that goes against the admin rules over lack of restictions on elections? Wasn't it the whole point that basically anyonw could contest, providing they could rally enough support


Secondly:

Favours and Disfavours are to be used according to the Marks
obtained per individual, and thus can only be decided once approved
through the Sect Head, Guild Administrator, Guild Master, or Guild
Champion


As such it is quite possible that by careful favouring and appointment, guild leaders can basically make themselves unassailable. This is not a slur against the current leaders, just me playing devil's advocate.

Whilst this is not a problem at the moment, I can easily forsee a time where nepotism and the like poison the guild's atmosphere. Anyway I apologise if I am making a fuss over nothing or pointing the finger too much

If they ever try to enforce the first rule, they can be issued and the Admin will step in.

Maybe you should try and address this IC instead of making assumptions and taking it OOC?

In response to Ethelon:

1.

I'm NOT pointing the finger, just looking out for the new guild and hoping it will be as good as the others her in Lusti

2. If things are made public they are more likely to change. And better this than someone trying to enforce said rule. This is rather painless

3. I half expected that kind of reaction

Knowing how things are handled ICly in Magnagora:

Newbie: 'scuse me, here you peeps got a rule, it's kinda against what the Gods said...
Leader: STFU noob! *disfavours and decapitates* <--- only in a more RP way


Expected anything else with a leadership like that?

And I am still disappointed the Ninjakari novices aren't called "Genin".

The first rule there is clearly illegal.

The second one is just icky.

Wow. Simmer down.

No reason to flame the poor guy for asking about it. He didn't seem like he was trying to degrade the guild in anyway.

It seems like they are doing that pretty well on their own.

Srsly

What's the problem with the first rule? The idea that leadership can make sure nobody they don't like makes it to GR6?

Hmm, I make a comment about just handling things IC and I get flamed? Sorry I tried to point out the obvious.

People have brought up this question IC and there was no reaction at all as Cuber suggested. We already have valid reason and it is not infact illegal, otherwise one of the three divine that were present when the laws were discussed would have said something. That may also be because Tamarian is a little off on his assumtion. That is the only reason why I said he should address it IC. Why make an assumption OOC so it can go wild, as it has, and never get a clear answer?

I'm not jumping down anyones throats, just stating the obvious is all.

I am also unclear on how we are degrading the Guild ourselves? I think we have done a great job considering the insanely quick opening we were forced to make.

With that second law, I'm fairly sure thats exactly the same type of that Ethelon pulled as soon as he got into a position of power in the Ur'Guard. There's other things wrong with it too - I am fairly sure Ethelon can recall some of the more pertinent points of my bitching about the last time he tried this.

Edit: And Ethelon - . It is on the god-damned Announcements board that you can't restrict elections that way. Actually, thinking back - the announcement about the first law was quite possibly due to Ethelon too.

Ah in that case wonderful!

Would you care to explain your reason to put my mind at ease?

What? No offense mate, but calm down, I didn't try anything and I'm pretty sure you were set straight in your views before.

24 members made these laws. I did not make these laws alone. Please remember this when you seek to flame me.

As I said, feel free to speak with us IC about any issues you forsee. The guild is young and we already have made changes due to suggestions from our GuildMates. There is nothing set in place to keep one person in power at all, but its threads such as this that draw out people like Asarnil that have nothing better to do than spew dribble and become Forum trolls.

Yeah, preventing people who are mechanically able to contest from contesting isn't allowed. 100% certain there was a post on this.

Well, with the first rule, it seems to me that is exactly what the problem is. That anyone who's likely to challenge the leadership's authority can be kept down below GR6. I'm totally not saying that they would! Let me make that clear right now.

But it leaves the possibility open and that's not cool.

And I'm surprised that it got passed the Admin. I must be completely misunderstanding the Game rule on who can challenge things or something.

Or you could just post to here to prevent any form of misunderstanding and mis-communication. The rumour mills always seem to twist stories so it's probably better all round if you post it here if you don't mind. Removes any ambiguities...I never really did like discussion behind closed doors anyway

Ah, ok. I don't really see a problem with it in principle, but if the brass says you can't do it, you can't do it.

And, like Ethelon, I'm not sure how this ended up on the forums.

If what Ethelon says is true, it'd be nice if the administration were consistent. Paladins had to adjust their laws due to that notation.