Though there's no written rule against it in the Tahtetso, the Tahtetso guild advancement strongly implies this rule. I wonder what would happen if someone guildfavored people who didn't complete the set progression tasks. While not technically disallowed, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't go over well.

Truthfully, from what I hear about mag, I'd be nervous challenging authority by asking about that.

Because unless you have a lot of pull in your guild (like I do with Asarnil), getting problem laws changed can be a seriously annoying uphill battle - especially against the oh so chummy circlejerking factions that generally infest the upper ranks of every guild.

For Eldanien:

I was worried that the guild leaders may appoint cronies etc. as sect leaders so as to control favouring. I am not suggesting they would..only that the system makes it possible and encourages it

Tamarian, IC, the Mukyu have Many, many times been told already that the scrolls are being adjusted over the next few months, so in this case, seeking answers IC would have been better.

Concerning keeping people down, we just upped a Challenger to GR6 on purpose to allow them their chance, though it was for duty and position within the Guild they recieved the Rank. We infact know he plans to contest as he has made that clear on OOC channels, yet we did not hinder him at all. We are running our guild not as other guilds. This is not like the Ur'guard, or the Nihilists. We have a very defined RP and we spent nearly more time on developing that than all our scrolls combined, as we want an atmoshpere that is friendly to Novices and the young and to be varied and deep enough to attract real RP'rs.

Just to be clear, we have had divine read over our Decrees already and make suggestions, yet this was never a worry on their part and was never mentioned to us. Again though, that may be because they understood our reasoning behind it and "how" it was worded.

To many assumptions in this thread. Give the guild a chance, we just came out, things change.

Well, all right, I can understand your and Acrune's view, but considering there were a number of things that could have been done besides coming to the forums, or at least prior to coming to the forums, it's hard not to view this as an attempt to stir up an OOC public outcry. If the OP had really exhausted all the other options available to him before this, then I apologize.

Ethelon, saying you have reasons for it a million times won't make the policy in announce post 761 go away. There just isn't a lot of ambiguity in the phrase "only the coded requirements may restrict who can contest".

hehe, I currently have 17 fixes/adjustments to make in files. I've worked my ass off since this guild has opened, fixing mistakes we missed, making adjustments to scrolls, and running the Guild. This includes doing nearly all the interviews myself, setting up our Shop, nearly all the Ghelp files, Marks, Nameing conventions, Handling Donations, Changing over the clan to its Sect and preparing those files. Creating Projects, advancements, and going out of my way at every point I can to thoroughly answer every single question asked of me if possible or atleast point a Mukyu in the right direction. All with strongly maintaining our RP.

With all of this, maybe you can understand why I would rather have this handled IC, where I can address it immediatley and ease someones mind, instead of having to add OOC assumptions to my list of things to juggle.

Please step back and recall this is a game, and we all are trying our best to make this enjoyable for everyone. Flaming someone when you do not know all the details isn't respected and uncalled for.

I believe you missed the part where I said we are not restricting anyone at all. Or where I mentioned that Tamarian was making an assumption and this is not how things are in our Guild. Sorry if there is misunderstanding. Tamarian is more than free enough to challenge right out of Novicehood and no one will say a word or stop him.

(1)So you upped a person so they can contest, but they had already earned it a different way?

(2)And you didn't use OOC knowledge as an excuse not to favor someone. Kudos

I worry for the guild.

Then why does your scroll say you can't contest until gr6 if this is the case?

Assumptions are what make this so bad sounding here.

1- I was trying to point out that we are not holding people back.

2- How often is OOC knowledge used? ALL THE TIME. I was saying this in justification to what was suggested earlier.

3- People like you seriously need to get a life. You are not in the guild, you obviously do not understand the pains we are taking to make sure everyone there is happy and having fun and you apparently want to see us fail.

I'm sorry, grow up Acrune and atleast give us a chance before you assume we are going to fail.

Has anyone here actually posted the scroll? No, there is more than one line, and those lines address the outlines. As I said, an assumption was made, and people would rather throw gas on the flames instead of stopping for a moment and listening. I'm not going to list the Decrees here just to prove my point. I have no need o when this can be handled IC. I would rather these flames and assumptions stop as this has gotten out of hand

Myuku is a name for a servant of a sufi, genin is a ninja in training. We didn't want to go with the whole Naruto theme though.



As for the rest of this thread, I will post here one time, since this type of threads that try to stir up trouble make me sick.

The law, as I see it at least, give the voting members of the guild an impression that if the person who is GR3 is running for election and was not backed by one of the other leaders. That since they are not of sufficient rank, they should not vote for them. This in no way violates the rule of not allowing people to contest. They can contest all they want. I think it just lets the voters be aware that they have not earned the "RP position/rank" to contest properly and they should not vote for them.

That being said, enjoy the rest of the flames.

Chillax everyone.

Ethelon has actually put in an enormous amount of work into the guild, meaning more than anyone else I know of, and it's new. Let the dust settle and as with any new guild, the admins/divine are watching it closely I'm sure.

Sit on your hands for a week or two and then see where things are.

If what you are saying is true, then the wording of that first law must be changed to reflect the truth.

Thanks to me, it's impossible to outguild someone who contested you...

...unless the rest of the guild council agrees with you.

Personally, I approve of the rules. They have role-play value and I don't believe the current leadership (Not even Ethelon. Am I, of all people, being too trusting?) would abuse it.

I'll admit, I'm now confused. You aren't restricting who can contest, but you are with the rank requirement, but really you aren't because you'll get someone gr6 if they want to contest? If someone wants to challenge right out of novicehood and it's 'fine', why the gr6 prereq?

I hate you Geb I didn't want to come back and reply to anything here. But the law is what I "assume" it to mean. So honestly you are correct. If it is what I think it means, it should be rewritten. ( Only geb can make me repost in things )

Intriguing work-around