Something was broken until the DMP changes, where high INT races like Merians could staffwhore someone to death by the virtue of 20+ INT with a blessing, and anything with 11 INT or lower was so laughable at everything (except maybe afflicting but afflicting doesn't win a battle unless they heartstop... not to mention bashing being an utter pain). The same was true for STR-dependent archetypes. In general, you'd see certain races used over and over and over again because they were just good and most of the other races were ignored except for RP reasons.

Though the DMP fixed some of that, you still don't see many races picked for RP reasons because they tend to be bad at certain archetypes; most of us don't have the luxury of a changeling cameo so that we can do both.

EDIT: Eldanien ninja'd me (sort of). D:

Racial specs werent balanced really..

This is a warrior.. horrid charisma and int, low dex for a warrior race, and its sipping is crap.
Poison gas is nice and resistances are so so.

CHANGE: Maybe races should actually get a bal/eq bonus sometimes? Lvl 1/2 bal for warriors, could use a bit high base stats, but dex is unusually low. Maybe drop taint regen to 2, cutting resist to 1.. then reduce elixer penalty to 1 and add lvl 1 bal bonus? Stats lack but meh its debatable what to do with those.



This is a spellcaster Viscanti. Dexterity is horrible, sipping penalty is still lethal, and their stats arent especially high.

CHANGES: Drop regen, cutting resist, elixer penalty, and add lvl 1/2 eq bonus. The Dex and charisma seem really low.. they arent as good as their merian counter parts int cha wise but tankier. This isnt as bad just need sipping changed, eq sped up, and balanced out to work with it.

This is of course an example of rebalancing a race. Viscanti have been rather crappy and are taken for RP purposes as has been mentioned. With some eq bonus and sipping that wouldnt destroy you they would be better and playable (I would go Viscanti with lvl 1 sip penalty, lvl 1/2 regens, lvl 1 cutting, and lvl 2 eq because they are the city race and wouldnt be stupidly inferior to muggy (outside health)).

Okay. Stop talking like there is ONE choice for every guild in the game. There isn't. Well...not for most.

Mages: Merian/Mugwump/Human/Viscanti/Kephera/Lucidian/Faeling/Illithoid
Warriors: Krokani/Aslaran/Human/Faeling/Taurian/Viscanti/Merian
Celestines: Any without a balance penalty? I don't know I see alot of humans
Monk: Same as warrior minus some, plus kephera and Lobo
Druids: Mugwump/Faeling/Kephera
So on and so forth....

Some are better than others...totally depends on your playing style alot of the time. I was a damage beast as a mugwump geo....but I prefered Kephera because I could tank the warriors and monks. This isn't achaea where one race/class combo is totally superior to every other kind. Here, some have advantages, but they aren't ridiculous.

So Tae'dae, Igasho, Trill, and Dwarf suck. Things like Mugwump/wiccans need to be changed because that's their only plausible choice (maybe bards too). Fix them so they aren't. Don't just throw all the races into a stat blender and screw the whole system up just so faelings work like Tae'dae and you get to be a speedy bear because the RP is fun. (exaggeration)

Lala, I still think, races should each keep a default set of stats, and then get some advantages&penalties from one or two choices (like, location of birth and then upbringing) like that dude with the catavatar proposed. Together, we make a powerful suggestion! Rock on!

Generally all classes have 1 or 2 races that work best for them, which is of course our problem

Vathael-Viscanti Warrior Malicia-Merian. Revan-Illithoid Mage. It can be done!

And I take offense to that Kephera comment I did pretty well as a keph mage. Really more for team combat...which is all mag does anymore.

Sometimes people can be good in spite of their races, not because of it.

The fact remains they could be -a lot- better if they utilized the best race.

No. This is wrong. They might be slightly better...but the fact is they know their skills and how to work with what they have. Maybe you aren't any good and blame it on your race? That's the feeling I get from you, I don't mean it as an insult.

While you're right in saying that there is a wider range acceptable race choices than one or two for each guild...picking the "wrong" race will neuter your offense.

I'm an Elfen, which is not the best Race of a Celestine. However, it is not the worst, and I think I do okay. The only part that I think I suffer in is hunting. I think I could do slightly better if I were Mugwump, and I think I could hunt better if I were human. However, I'm not even an Elfen because my role either, it was just a good choice as a Hartstone druid, because I really don't want to be a Mugwump. XD

That's the problem I'm having here, is that Mugwump is the best choice, but I really don't want to be one. If I could pick any race, I would probably be a Kephera. But a Kephera male is just not going to work as a Celestine.

But lets say, for the sake of argument, that you and Furien are of exactly equal skill. You're both Dreamweaving Druids. You as a Mugwump would always win. That's what bothers me. It also bothers me that if I did want to play a Tae'Dae or whatever, I would not be able to compare to other people of my own skill that chose a better race.

Moondancer combat for example. It's all about who can hex fastest. If you're not a mugwump, you won't be the best.

Then why kephera over dwarf? Or igasho? Or tae'dae? Those are all tanky races, if tankiness was what you were after. It seems obvious to me that for a female, the kephera is hands down superior by such a large margin that you wouldn't seriously consider the others unless you're willing to forsake a lot of capability.

I would think a dwarf should make a natural geomancer. Dwarf. Mining. Underground living.

Kephera male is a perfectly acceptable Celestine choice. Loboshigaru is the traditional resilient Celestine choice, but there's no reason kephera wouldn't fit the role.

Mugwump is not a particularly great Celestine choice unless you're taking astrology.

Would the 11 int not make me even worse at hunting than I already am?

Yes, but your PvP will improve.

*peers at your signature*

I see why you might suggest such a thing!

I am probably wrong about that bit about Celestine race then. The point remains however, like you said, that some races will completely destroy your offense.

You are essentially suggesting all races be equal for every guild. Of course I'd beat Alianna because of my eq. If she had chosen runes then she'd be working with her balance, but she didn't. Her con also helps her survive alot longer than I can. Her she were aslaran and I were mugwump...and things had to be equal..then i'd have to drop down to 1 eq bonus, then she'd have more con, so she'd have to drop two con points, but then she has a sip penalty, so I'd need that. Okay so now we both suck...but we are equal! No, this isn't the plan...but it just points out how boring and pointless races would be if you made them all equal at all the classes.

Kephera might not be allowed in Celest or Seren.

And yes you can be a few diff races but you will pay for it in combat and possibly bashing. I could go human and I woudl be really tanky, but I wouldnt be as fast and as able to afflict. Make Viscanti not such a crappy race and give like lvl 2 eq and I would switch when I could

I am obviously not suggesting that, if you had read any of my previous posts at all, I VERY CLEARLY stated that I did not want races to be perfectly equal. That might have been my exact words, actually. But I want some races to have a fighting chance that currently do not.

As annoyed as your not paying attention to what I'm saying makes me, I love that picture. I watch Home Improvement on Nick at Nite all the time.

I'm sorry. This....

"But lets say, for the sake of argument, that you and Furien are of exactly equal skill. You're both Dreamweaving Druids. You as a Mugwump would always win. That's what bothers me."

...confused me.

That was him arguing back to what you'd said about skill being ultimately what decided that Vathael, Malicia, and Revan were good:

"No. This is wrong. They might be slightly better...but the fact is they know their skills and how to work with what they have. Maybe you aren't any good and blame it on your race? That's the feeling I get from you, I don't mean it as an insult."

"If you and Furien were of exactly equal skill" was answering that.