I'm looking for a bit of administrative feedback on this, but anyone is free to respond, of course.

The Angelfont is Celest's construct and revolves around the five Supernals, who you must 'pray to' for minor benefits, such as a pentagram shield, ego, health and so on. I say minor because of all five prayers, most people get very little use out of it, using maybe one or two of them. I like the shield. It's not the best construct, in my opinion. By far. However, the problem is this: Killing a Supernal negates an effect of the construct. Killing Demon Lords does not alter any aspect of Magnagora's Crypt, the equivalent (in terms of power costs) of the Angelfont. I'm not sure if killing Avatars deactivates the communes major constructs. So in essence, Magnagora wouldn't have to engage in the very costly and time-consuming nexus battles to cancel a majority of the benefits (lol) the Angelfont provides.

Is that the way it should be?

Correct. You can't pray to the Holy Supernals and receive their blessings when they are dead (it's hard for them to hear your prayers in such a state ).

It doesn't seem very fair that one side could go around a nexus battle to cancel out the effects of a major construct. It does make sense; you're right, the Supernal is dead, but it doesn't seem quite right. Celest has had to embark on many nexus battles in order to attack the Crypt, only for it to become harder and harder each time, in terms of mechanics.

Oh well.

So... this makes the Angelfont more useless than it already is? I mean, if they can't destroy the construct, they could just kill the supernals and hinder us since it's easier that way. Wouldn't that, you know, remove the whole point of destroying the construct so that we can't use its skills?

It seems unfair, yeah, but a very minor kind of unfair. This is really not likely to come up that often, and you can raise them again in a day or so.

I'll grant it's an RP feature mostly for realism/consistency that does make it more vulnerable to assault compared to other constructs. I don't think it's too much of a burden since the Supernals seem to rarely die, but if you can think of other similar logical mechanical drawbacks for other constructs I'm all ears.

I wouldn't mind seeing the construct changed to not rely on the Supernals at all. We could draw upon the Angelfont's benefits some other way.

Edit: And the fact that the Superals 'seem to rarely die' is a very weak argument to go on. The Supernals could die every other weekend if another org wished them dead. Supernals can die, just as easily as Demon Lords, only our construct is affected and no other construct is affected in the same way.

Is this really worth the bother? It's the first time it's gone down in months and it'll be back up again before tomorrow.

It's not only the font that's affected, it's the Celestines too who are bonded with said supernals who just died recently.

That's always been the case.

Well, that happens to all Guardians equally (and Wiccans with their Totem-specific fae), so I don't really see the complaint there, or how it's related to the Angel Font.

Well, the issue is also that the Angelfont just sucks in general compared to the other similar, rezz-related constructs.

Though the Angelfont doesn't even have a resurrection-associated thing with it, which makes me wonder why it's even there to begin with.

(Perhaps not as constructive as some would hope, but I'm pretty sure that's what a lot of Celestians have always agreed!)

That's just it, Furien. It's an awful construct, probably THE worst. As I said, I think maybe if we prayed to the construct or some other 'thing' that has nothing to do with the Supernals, that'd be a little bit better. I thought the admin wanted to see conflict pushed towards nexus battles anyhow? No one should be able to get around it.

didn't the font allow people to be rezzed with the power cost as if they were Sacrament users?

Hmm...that does seem unfair but not too concerning. Having more negatives to our Planes entities dieing than any other org has (this is exclusive to celest right?) does seem kinda crappy but it does have an RP basis. If the Supernals are dead they are dead, no doubt about that.

The fact that Celestines have to repledge with Supernals after their death is a none issue, Magnagorans must do the same thing. Comes with the territory of being Celestine or Nihilist.


I would agree that I do not really use the Angel Font at all. I can't find much of a use for it myself beyond the rare prayer. Have there been other suggestions on what it might do?

yeah, but you need a corpse to be able to perform a ressurection, and not many want to sacrifice nowadays until it's urgent.

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That was for Callia btw

Is the shield from the altar even different from pentagram? I always thought people chose to use pray to shakiniel over evoke pentagram just for the flair...

And I agree, the Angelfont isn't that useful for something that's obviously supposed to have great spiritual/RP/attention significance (being the "culmination" of Celestia's powers and blessings, as I see it). But, I feel like to make it more worth it, just one new feature could be added to it...not sure what though. I don't think it calls for a complete overhaul of the prayer system (unless it's the prayer system itself that's the new change).

Before I got deployed... AngelFont was so much cooler...

0 power regardless of if they are Sacraments users or not.

I mean, sure there are some other minor benefits such as free benedictions (which I don't think are worth 3p anyways and so never used it until the construct), "minor shield" whatever that means, and I love to spam the prayers to Elohora when bashing because I'm a cheapskate.... Prayer to Shakniel is sometimes helpful in PVP when I need a short breather or just disrupt my opponent's momentum, and the 2 seconds vs 6 seconds is most certainly hotsauce.

It'd be nice if such a huge portion of Celest's guardians, construct-ness, whatever, did not rely on the Supernals being alive. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the Paladins Knighting ceremony probably wouldn't even work if the supernals are dead since it involves them "hearing the oaths of the Knight Aspirant". I know that Celest is all Holy Crusade and worshippy and religious and stuff, but damn.

For (admittedly very poor) parallel, imagine if the Crypt had a 20% chance of fail for each dead DemonLord. Imagine that the long-range resurgem couldn't work unless all Moon Avatars were alive. Lame stuff.

For suggestions... I think that the Elohora and Shakiniel prayers are great (plus they rarely die) but Raziela/Methrenton/Japhiel prayers healing h/m/e for less than a sparkleberry plus eq loss and a 6 second cooldown where I can't use prayers I actually like.... ew. I -never- use those. EVER. Maybe if they were stronger I'd use them, but I really can't think of an better suggestions right now.


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No, it's not just for flair. Pray to Shakniel costs 100 willpower, no mana, 2 seconds (versus 6) equilibrium, usable with broken limbs or while prone (very hotsauce). It's basically an ubercharged shield. Same rules apply for Pray to Elohora, but that cures one random afflict, which I seriously use quite often, PvP and PvE. As previously stated, the other 3 prayers suck balls for the cost.

I think the argument here is that the Supernals are so tied to the Angelfont while the Demon Lords have nothing to do with the Mag constructs. Malicia is arguing that the Angelfont can be circumventd by going and killing the Supernals instead of actually attacking the Angelfont, which shunts conflict away from the nexus world. There is no other org equivalent to this "back door". Right Malicia?