I dont think it has changed.

Ok basically, a supernal died? Now this? Granted it working off supernals being alive or not, well RP wise makes sense, so maybe they should instill the fount with the blessings of the Supernals so this doesn't happen. But I personally think since there is a Supernal that makes people drop eq through grip/selfishness... that balances out any other downside to anything else concerning the supernals. A great many of weapons, shields and other things have been lost due to the all might supernal who somehow makes you drop equipment which only sometimes is given back (and yes there are a few true blue people who will give them back)

But all in all if anything MUST be done, RP wise, maybe like I said, each Supernal instills its blessing on the fount, and when they die, the blessing in the fount doesn't.

(And no I am not trying to start an argument. So if any of the CFDS wants to go on a rant about something, re read what I said. Highlights: It may not be right, so maybe change the RP a little so that it can work RP wise for it not to hinder the font while a supernal is down)

I am sorry you all had a supernal die, it happens. And from my char perspective. I hope to see it happen so much that we get to give as much as you gave in the past RL year. But I do think that something RP wise should be done so that the fount does not lose the blessing from the dead one.

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Now as a devil's advocate: So many people from celest claim the founts blessings are useless, so with a dead supernal and useless blessings, what is the problem?? I have heard so many times that they are useless... so why complain??
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Also the above is the devil's advocate response. One that might possible be made by Fain or any other who may wish to play the devil's advocate. It in no way represents the feelings of Ild's player or Ild.

(God I hate having to right disclaimers so that people don't go nutty)

I agree. I can see how the complaining is justified, as in it isn't fair that there are extra ways to take down our construct, but I'd much rather spend valuable complaining time on the fact that the construct is useless in general. Yeah it's inconvenient that parts of our construct can be taken down easier than others, but who really cares? Like Tervic said, no one wastes time praying to 3/5 of the Supernals anyway. The fact that killing a supernal takes away the blessing is not what makes the Angelfont bad.

Hmm on the topic of Angelfont improvements, what about if we could do combo prayers? Lessee... praying to Shakiniel and Methrenton in succession leads to temporary boost in constitution, or Raziela & Japhiel & Methrenton leading to temporary max health/mana/ego increase, or to all five in rapid succession leading to super angel form! (while stripping the user of their angelic aura blessing) Just trying to think of ways to match the cool factor of the Black Crypt

I think you missed the entire point of my thread. This is not about Supernals dying, mmkay? With me so far? Ok.

This is about a construct being negated by the death of a Supernal, while other orgs have to actually engage in nexus battles to deactivate others. That's all I'm saying. Now yes, the construct is pretty worthless, but from what I've heard from an Envoy or two, Estarra is not open to changing it at all. So we're kinda stuck with it. You mean to tell me that simply because I think the Angelfont is worthless, my complaint is completely invalid? Thanks for your input.

Wow, Black Crypt aint THAT cool.... I wanna combine my power ranger demonlords too for some cool stuff too then.



edit- And can someone tell me the DMP # that angelfount gives as its auto protection aura?? now that dmps have been in play? I always wondered that

Instead, just add in the ability to PRAY TO SUPERNALS, which gives Seraphdom. When killed, you will rise from the dead as a Seraph, and have increased stats in the day time.

The ability to pray to each supernal individual is there to counteract the fact that killing any one supernal would remove the PRAY TO SUPERNALS ability.

Sounds good to me.

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And you could remove all the free benediction and ressurection crap too, for balance sake.

It makes it worse.

Edit: Seriously, the issues with the angelfont have been brought up numerous times in game and even on envoys, but the administration said no. Good ideas being tossed around, but this thread wasn't really about getting Angelfont upgraded to be a little less worthless.

...Relative to the other things about it, it's no big deal.

If the admin changed that, the angelfont would still be the worst construct. Its usefulness would increase by about 1 point, on a scale of 100.

Why does the construct do exactly? I know you pray to supernal...but any specifics? I'm curious.

But... but... power rangers! Well, if we did get something like that then I wouldn't mind other constructs having similar makeovers too

On the main topic at hand though, I actually never knew prayer powers were deactivated when the Supernals fell, but I don't think it's a big deal considering the "usefulness" of the prayers anyway, as someone else said. In my opinion the 0p resurrections are more important than the prayers.

Actually... what about when a Supernal died it gave us ANTI-prayers!? We could pray to summon spiked barbs to rip out of enemies' skins or smite them with fire and brimstone! Way cooler.
(OK sorry it's late here, going to leave the discussion now)

To answer Bianca: it can either heal health, mana, or ego, raise a magical shield, or cure a random affliction (all on its own 6-second balance but with usual eq loss). There's also 0p resurrection and sacrifice, and damage reduction but I don't think anyone knows the numbers on that. Looks like a lot, but remember... quality not quantity!

That'd tempt me to make a Celestian alt.

Oh noes, I already did!

I tried to figure out the DR from the Angelfont some time ago, actually. I don't know if it was just bad luck with the RNG, or if DMP took it all away (this was with a loboshigaru Tahtetso alt in robes) that I honestly saw no benefit from the DR Angelfont gave. I had my alt hunt fish in the Pool nexus for a while, noted damages, got the angelic aura, and tried again on respawns twice. I mathed out no discernable difference. And by that, I mean it was less than 1%. I'll try to dig up logs of it.

Anyway, I just chalked it up to 'it benefits newbies, slightly' and gave up on it.

I use the Prayer to Elohora when hunting, since I'm also a cheap bastard. Prayer to Shakiniel actually is fairly decent, though I always forget about it. Sometimes I'll do the Prayer to Methrenton while hunting, when I've done a hit and run on a tough room and I'm waiting to heal up before going back in.

Me, I'd just as soon see all of the prayers rolled into a pseudo-mini-TH. Heals a bit of all vitals, shield, psi shield, cure one affliction. That keeps it in theme, helps lowbies and highbies alike (if you need to Shakiniel shield or Elohora cure, you'll probably like the other benefits). Set it up for a lengthy delay and large willpower hit to use.

Or alternatively, boost the DR to something noticeable and enviable.

But back to the topic... I think the solution isn't adding hindrances to other constructs to level the field, so much as revamping the Font entirely. Even if the Admins don't intend to do so. =/

Meh yeah, dosen't sound too great, but it has it's uses. I'd take an extra passive shield any day.

This sounds like another case of 'This isn't fair! Mag/Celest has "

Have heard like 3-5 DMP

Also not noted in the above list... free benediction (no idea on ab and lus)

There's barely any damage reduction we felt with angelic aura if I remember, plus the complaint here is that why bother disabling the construct when you can just go for the supernals and disable our prayers? RP or not, that kinda removes the point of destroying the construct so that Organizations can't get the benefit anymore, I mean, why does this apply only to us? Why wasn't this applied to Mag or to the communes when the avatars/demon lords fell?

You already have 1 supernal up like 3-4 hours later. It's not like going for supernals is the point of it. Resurgem being down as long as Moon Avatars were dead would be annoying, but so minor it's not really worth complaining about.

Except it's not, at all. Don't turn it into that, either. It's just a discussion on Celest's construct. Look above to see me siding with Ildaudid, who, last I checked, is a Magnagoran.

@Arvont: It'd tempt me to make one, and I'm already a Celestian! Being a Seraph would be awesome.

As awesome as it sounds though, I don't see it happening. I do like Eldaniens suggestion of a mini-trueheal, though. That looks like something neat that I'd actually use, and is powerful without being over powered. But, also like Mal said, none of these changes, however good, are likely to go through. For some reason.

did I say I'M LOOKING AT YOU DESCHAIN? No.

It started off as "Mag dosen't lose constructs when DLs die." Lich has already been mentioned in the thread. That's all I'm saying.

It's not a passive shield. It takes two seconds of eq, but it has its own longer balance on top of it.

As a note while Seraph might be fun I believe Admin are against Lich cloning, so would need a bit more thought on that to be more original.

Just a note.

Carry on.