but then all of Celest's Sac and Rez bitches get slapped in the face for overdrawing when everyone is whining for a rez and benediction goes back into the useless bin.


2 seconds eq loss, 100 willpower cost, usable while prone, with broken limbs, other states untested, but I think entangle blocks it. 6 second cooldown for one of the following
Methrenton: Less health restore than a sparkleberry.
Japhiel: Same as above, for mana (I occasionaly use this when I'm feeling -really- cheap, but NEVER in pvp, and if it vanished I wouldn't miss it)
Raziela: Same as above, for ego
Shakiniel: Pentagramesque shield (actually useful and I'd miss it)
Elohora: Cure 1 random afflict (actually useful and I'd miss it)

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All the above are active abilities!!!
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Other benefits (passive): 0p costs for benediction, resurrection, sacrifice (still can "cost" 10p if you vitae or conglutinate since those strip power in hand). Angel aura allows other people's Honour Aura (+1 regen to h/m/e) to affect you. Supposed DMP in there somewhere.

Benediction: Chance of one of the following: Defense: Resist Botulinum and similar effects (NOT taintsick), Defense: 10 dmp to asphyxiate and poison, 2 other that I forget because I don't really care, h/m/or e cure (small), wp restore, endurance restore. Totally not worth 3p. Dreamweavers sometimes ask for it to help them recover wp faster without abusing the arena or some other silly death-related thing.

This topic makes me lol cause of what Shiri has said twice now. With a place like Xion how hard is it to raise any supernal?

Also, most of the lol is just off topic and comes from my memories of arguing for the Dark Nest back when it was released and not built and how everyone was saying how Glom got screwed the most. I always said Celest got screwed the most and it's a little ironic that it's even worse even if it's slightly. Just wait for the next set of constructs, if you don't get something kickass, I will be the first to bitch for you.

Your smart ass remarks are unwelcome, I am actually sick of hearing them.
So, it is your turn to try and reread. I didn't say it was all about supernals dying. I had a possible resolve for it. But since you are always so hell bent on trying to start a fight, you cannot see it. I mean can you think outside of a celest/mag nature?? Period? I stated that maybe the supernals should be able to "invest" their powers into the angelfount. In by doing this it will keep the power with the fount, even after death.

But for some reason, I guess helpful solutions are not what you want. So how am I to read your post? Just think of it as a Celest needs a massively better fount and Crypt is too OP, lets try for a nerf again?? That dog is dead, please quick kicking it.

You, my dear, really need to stop. I made a huge disclaimer about being the devil's advocate on one situation. You on the other hand attack my post because "possible solutions" must obviously be what you do not want to hear. So I am only led to believe that you just are here trying to whine. By not even bothering to read into my post, it seems clear you are unwilling to accept any type of idea suggested. Which is quite sad.

Again re read things, Yes you are one of the many who whine how you never bother using and worthless the angelfount is, but here you are... bitching about it once again. And like I said, this time I offer a suggestion on how to fix it. What do you do? Get a bitchy attitude on me. I find that quite immature. So thank you for your input right back, Always nice to see how rude you can be and how you don't bother reading into things as always a Celest vs Mag thing. Way to be a real winner.

- May as well close the thread now, since sugesstions on ways to help this problem are not welcome it appears.



Exactly Deschain, I guess you were smart enough to understand what I was saying in my post.

While ildy may of been a bit harsh, I can see a point when a valid suggestion (supernals invest the power) is shot down because someone doesnt take a point right and automatically tries to insult people :/

Lets not drop the forums to that (outside of idiots anyway).

I am all for replacing the angelfont.. figurin something better.. removing free flux/ripple for city wide conglute.. and sure supernals instead investing their powers.

Take a few deep breathes people, relax.. and calm...

nice gets nice and nasty gets nasty Malarious. Sorry but it had to be done, I am just a bit fed up with those types of things.

I've seen this style of posting, in just about every other thread you post in. Sheer comedic relief. I'm whining? In your first post, you're rambling about Supernals forcing people to unwield items and next, how you're sorry they died. I was not complaining about Supernal raids and the apology wasn't necessary.

Anyhow, ideas centered around making it so prayers aren't really dependent on Supernals would work, as Morgfyre stated. I seriously doubt the construct will be upgraded and that wasn't the purpose of this thread. Everiine seemed to get it.

Then lets just close the thread, since ideas are never wanted by you, and yeah I guess you are right I have seen this same style of comedic posting from you all the time, and should have come to expect it by now... I guess I will listen to some people and let you have at your whinge and be done with you. Better for all that way.

You have issues. The thread doesn't need to be closed because you say so. You might want to get on the list of potential moderators first.

on it, first page... and if you have a problem with me ignore my posts.... kthxbai


Now, if you are done trying to troll and start fights, you may wanna add something constructive, like maybe by reading my post, and deschains and malarious's who all saw the possible idea for your fount... if not, then stop coming here to try and attack me.

where's that little jedi fighting smiley when you need it.

You are completely useless.

GO LEAVE YOUR GUILD.

I'm not going to argue whether Angelfont is powerful or too weak as it is when the supernals are alive. However...



This is not how an admin should think in my opinion. RP is good, but when it gets in the way of game balance, we should not be afraid to sacrifice it. In games with conflict (and Lusternia has plenty of conflict, stating the obvious here), balance is more important than realism, consistancy or roleplaying. Because you can roleplay in a game which is balanced, and sacrificed many RP elements for the sake of balance, but you cannot have a meaningful conflict when balance was sacrificed for RP.

Seriously, balance has been sacrificed for 6 hours out of however long the Angelfont has been around. 6 hours during which very little happened other than trying to get the Supernals back up anyway. This is not a major game design flaw.

In this example, you are right. But I do not criticise the example, I criticise the mindset.

I'm off to find something warm for me to eat.

I think you might find he'd have a different mindset and be willing to consider other options if it mattered.

Maybe not, of course, but you can't judge it from just this.

Stop being so reasonable!

Sure if you could only use them once a day.

I rather agree.

@Shiri- On one hand you say it does seem unfair, but that it's not really a big deal. I'm not asking anyone to table more pressing matters to address this, but at some point, maybe we need to. Maybeee. 6 hours may not seem like a long time to you, but that's longer than the down-time associated with disabling a construct after a successful mini-weakening. It takes nearly 6 hours to raise about 2 Supernals/Demon Lords. Around three hours for each. The fact that the construct sucks is irrelevant. If the prayers were amazing, then it'd be a bigger deal? I'm not going to even walk that path. I don't really care about upgrading it at this point. Ideally, it'd be great if all constructs were done away with and a more even playing field established. That's a discussion for another time though.

The point of this thread is that Constructs were created to inspire conflict on the nexus worlds. If an org did not like another org having the benefits of a particular construct, they would wait until a weakening opened up and go and attempt to destroy or disable it. Simple.

In this case we are now learning that the Angelfont becomes partially disabled for every supernal that dies. How long it takes to raise a Supernal back up is irrelevant. How often Supernals die is irrelevant. What is relevant is that this is not the way we were lead to believe that constructs are supposed to work and indeed should NOT be how they work. Constructs should only become disabled via the mechanics built in for nexus weakenings. On the one hand the admin is saying they want to push nexus battles to be the primary conflict but then we come across something like this. For less money and less effort an organization can can disable a construct while participating in other forms of conflict.

It is quite possible that had we known that the Angelfont could be disabled via another method than the weakenings, that would have played a role in the decision to even build it in the first place. It will definitely play a role in whether to keep it. This is quite simply, unfair.

Can we please keep construct mechanics apart from general conflict mechanics.

I think this is when us commune folks sit back and quietly give thanks that choke is largely all we argue about, and it's relatively tame argument.