Angelfont and Supernals

by Malicia

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Tzekelkan2008-01-05 16:52:53
Yes, but the Angel Font also makes resurrection, sacrifice and benediction free for all those who have it: those still count for something. And as I've said, I like diversity. Copy+pasting skills from one org to another is a no-no. Personally, I like it this way: the Mags get one powerful ability (though not sure if they get anything else) and we get several weaker ones. I only want them to be useful.
Ildaudid2008-01-05 17:04:41
QUOTE(Xavius @ Jan 4 2008, 08:48 PM) 473172
Shovels only break when you do noobish things like digging where you shouldn't.

Or when trying to use it as a pogostick

QUOTE(Nydekion @ Jan 5 2008, 11:15 AM) 473336
Yeah, the Angelfont really isn't much to talk about and having it be further hindered by the death of Supernals makes it feel like it's just an insult to an injury. There were several ideas previously on how to improve the Angelfont, I suppose this is as good a place as any to bring them up.

Suggestion #1:
Allow prayers to be on their own balance entirely (ie. usable once every 6 seconds).
(Unfortunately though it would be nice, it can end up being too nice, it would be like having a celest only sparkleberry, which is why I don't think they made it that way in the first place)
Suggestion #2:
Change Methrenton to be a rubeus defense (defense against pacifism, lovers effects, shyness, and fear) for everyone and a permanent defense for rituals users. (Like a % chance-everyone and a higher % chance-rituals, not an immunity to these afflictions for non/ritual users right? And what % or DMP would you reccommend?)
Change Japhiel to be +1 int that needs to be recasted once a day.(If it is weighted not a flat stat, but if it is a flat stat, may be a little nervewracking leading to the crazy damage that can (or used to be able to) be done my merian mages)Change Raziela to give a chance to resist forced actions. (Not terrible. Again what do you suggest the % to work to be?)

Suggestion #3:
Remove the prayer mechanic entirely. In its place, allow the Angelfont to turn players with the aura into "Angelkin", granting natural flight, a halo defense, ability to survive on cosmic planes, a spiffy addition to one's honors line, and a conglutination-like ability that causes one to reform on Celestia when killed on any plane. Dying would remove the defense.
(I can't get on board with this because just the dying on prime and congluting to celestia would be way to much, also would just give too much of an advantage. The free access to wings, the halo defense (as long as it to be included with the angelic aura the font already gives and even the free cosmic survival) I can get behind, but the conglut worries me.) These are mainly the raw brainstorming suggestions that have come up over time which may be worthwhile to consider in further discussion.


My suggestion before, which was more along what the original post was concerning was that maybe the fount. When raised is "blessed" by the Supernals. Infusing their power into the fount. This way when a Supernal dies, it does not effect the fount.
Nydekion2008-01-05 17:23:09
Suggestion 1:
Well, it wouldn't be a sparkleberry because each of the prayers only heal one pool at a time. So you're either healing only health only mana or only ego once every 6 seconds. Sparkleberry heals all 3 at the same time.

Suggestion 2:
Methrenton would be an identical defense to rubeus insofar that it will make one immune to those skills a random number of times (usually somewhere between 1-4) before falling.
Japhiel: with the stat flattening the way it is (and staff damage, in fact) this ends up being a minor boost. Being an imperial merian after the dmp changes is rather depressing. Heh.
Raziela: Haven't really set the %chance in stone. Probably something like a 33-50% chance since there are already similar skills that resist that amount. Open to suggestions here.

Suggestion 3:
This suggestion was envisioned to remove the other aspects of the Angelfont. Namely the 0 power skills, resist, etc. It'd be a complete replacement of what the Font does currently, hence the benefits are more potent than stated in the first two suggestions.
Kaervas2008-01-05 17:26:24
They'd still be losing exp with the conglut thing I'm guessing, the main bonus would be that they'd avoid the crappy praying sequence if they can't get rezzed for some reason. Seems fair enough to me.
Tzekelkan2008-01-05 17:27:31
Well, don't get me wrong... I'd love conglut to Celestia if everyone's OK with it. Just didn't think they'd be OK with it.
Nydekion2008-01-05 17:30:05
Yeah, Kaervas has it right. It'd be a conglutination insofar as some experience is lost, but you don't have to sit through the praying sequence.
Unknown2008-01-05 17:33:20
So what about the Ur'guards and the Nihilists in magnagora shouldnt they get their own effect from the crypt sence its useless for them?
Nydekion2008-01-05 17:35:16
Uh, they already do. It's called archlich. Lets you negate any penalty to liching and a rather nice cold aura that hits all personal enemies in the room with a freeze attack.
Ashteru2008-01-05 17:35:55
QUOTE(Kaervas @ Jan 5 2008, 06:26 PM) 473353
They'd still be losing exp with the conglut thing I'm guessing, the main bonus would be that they'd avoid the crappy praying sequence if they can't get rezzed for some reason. Seems fair enough to me.

I dunno, conglutinating on all of prime? That's better than Seren's planewide soulrezz.
Malicia2008-01-05 19:35:07
QUOTE(tzekelkan @ Jan 5 2008, 10:52 AM) 473347
Yes, but the Angel Font also makes resurrection, sacrifice and benediction free for all those who have it: those still count for something. And as I've said, I like diversity. Copy+pasting skills from one org to another is a no-no. Personally, I like it this way: the Mags get one powerful ability (though not sure if they get anything else) and we get several weaker ones. I only want them to be useful.

I can guarantee you that sacrifice costing 0p for non sacrament followers doesn't have people standing in line to do it. You could hear a pin drop over CT when someone requests one. It was 1p before, for sac users. Not a big deal. 10p to resurrect? Again, not much of a benefit. In Celest, people who res can overdraw. I don't think the Pool of Stars would have went dry. One can also immolate if you have a corpse. Free benediction is fine, because it shouldn't have cost 3p in the first place.
Krellan2008-01-05 20:18:28
obviously you've been away from seren so long that you forget how ridiculous the maiden can be.
Malicia2008-01-05 20:19:22
Maiden is awesome. I forget how long it lasts, but isn't it 1p? Benediction is 3p normally and takes numerous tries to get the defenses.
Tervic2008-01-05 20:37:28
QUOTE(Malicia @ Jan 5 2008, 12:19 PM) 473395
Maiden is awesome. I forget how long it lasts, but isn't it 1p? Benediction is 3p normally and takes numerous tries to get the defenses.

It lasts a random time last I checked.

Maybe drop benediction to 1p without the font, but that's offtopic.

Back on topic, I really like the whole "blessed being" idea thing, but conglutination to Celestia feels silly. If you do, is it to a random room where you get ganked by the raiding party, die, go through the process over and over? And what about normal Trans Planar conglutination? What if you'd rather conglute at the Pool in Prime?

I think some other minor fun things would be a radiance-like attack for everyone (mostly just for shiny). I really liked Nydekion's option #2, but I think the japhiel prayer should be something else, like a boost to maxmana instead of straight up int, which will still be useful to almost everyone but adresses the issues of being a damage buff. Couple that with removing the 2 seconds of balance/eq use (but KEEP the 6 second prayer cooldown), I think the Font would end up being quite nice.

As an aside, what with the sun-shade crystals in place, maybe liches shouldn't be affected by the sun anymore tongue.gif
Krellan2008-01-05 20:47:34
QUOTE(Malicia @ Jan 5 2008, 02:19 PM) 473395
Maiden is awesome. I forget how long it lasts, but isn't it 1p? Benediction is 3p normally and takes numerous tries to get the defenses.


it can be awesome. but it's really random. Just a few days ago when Sarra tried to summon one for me. 4 straight times in a row the maiden disappeared before even giving me one action. Meaning it barely lasted long enough to recover eq. Once it didn't even last long enough. It's too random to be great. And now you have free benedictions so they aren't even comparable tongue.gif
Eldanien2008-01-05 22:18:07
As a note, I remember maiden being more potent than benediction due to the maiden's effects firing off so much faster and having a lower cost. The duration of the maiden was random, but it could be used in the middle of a battle to an actual noticeable effect.

Or at least, so it was 2 years ago.

I don't know how maiden is now, but I remember suggesting to Ethelon when he was Celestine envoy that Benediction get sped up like the Maiden but with the same fixed duration, to make up for the higher cost of benediction.

I would -love- an altered state sort of thing that grants an automatic res effect (conglute to Celestia works), wings and halo. That would be cool beyond words, but I would change one small detail somehow so that the opportunity cost trill and faeling pay are somehow made up for.
Unknown2008-01-05 22:23:21
QUOTE(Malicia @ Jan 5 2008, 02:35 PM) 473381
I can guarantee you that sacrifice costing 0p for non sacrament followers doesn't have people standing in line to do it. You could hear a pin drop over CT when someone requests one. It was 1p before, for sac users. Not a big deal. 10p to resurrect? Again, not much of a benefit. In Celest, people who res can overdraw. I don't think the Pool of Stars would have went dry. One can also immolate if you have a corpse. Free benediction is fine, because it shouldn't have cost 3p in the first place.


Agree agree agree. Sacrifice is a lame way of two people losing XP. Resurrect is pretty much useless in any PVP situation, despite the power cost. How often does someone kill you and leave your corpse? Never. It's only good for people who die while hunting, and even then it's not great. One time I died while hunting gorgogs, and Thoros ran in to try and take my corpse before a Celestian could. Or maybe just to jump whoever tried to save me, not sure, but luckily Enero got there first. Now, if it gave long range soul resurrection, but still had the 10 power cost, that would be worth something.

The free benedictions are the only thing I really like about the construct, because like you said, it wasn't worth 3 power to begin with.
Xenthos2008-01-05 22:26:09
QUOTE(Deschain @ Jan 5 2008, 05:23 PM) 473445
How often does someone kill you and leave your corpse? Never.

Bzzt. Seren/Glom return corpses somewhat frequently, and I know Mag/Celest have had periods of doing this as well, though it seems to be in remission atm.
Unknown2008-01-05 22:28:02
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jan 5 2008, 05:26 PM) 473447
Bzzt. Seren/Glom return corpses somewhat frequently, and I know Mag/Celest have had periods of doing this as well, though it seems to be in remission atm.


I've never had my corpse returned in any org I've ever been in. I also have the feeling Thoros wasn't trying to save me when I died hunting.

EDIT: That's not to say it doesn't happen, I know you're not lying, but from my experience it doesn't happen often enough to make the construct benefits worth it.
Shamarah2008-01-05 22:39:29
It happens. I usually try to return corpses unless the person has been raiding or something.
Xavius2008-01-05 23:23:46
If there's a corpse, and it's in Glomdoring, I eat it. If it doesn't conglutinate, it doesn't need to be there.

Everything else, though...why would you take it? Lulz i jumd u bashing kitties and u praid!