The medallions as objects aren't a problem, I'm sure. When people say to remove them they mean to remove or somehow weaken the improved cubix/circlet aspect of them.

It does seem like prior seal winners should get to keep their medallions. Perhaps replace the abilities with a get-karma-blessing-of-type for half karma cost, or something suitably specific and small.

When we first got them, I actually (erroneously, of course) thought they all did something different, though the unique transport messages are still quite neat. Then, later, I noticed that the Astral exits were gone, so either they downgraded the medallions, or it was a bug.

And, honestly, even if I hadn't won, and even if the artifacts are given to someone else, I have no problem with what they do. Not everyone can afford 2500+ credits, so the fact that the Seal-bearers get something so nifty sort of reinforces (to me) the importance of the event. The effects (circlet and cubix) also seem fairly consistent with what the final challenge required. I'm certainly not going to begrudge someone a reward of that nature, given the IC gravity of the situation and the investment of actual time and effort the challenges require. After all... I don't hear people complaining that the free artifacts from Ironbeard or the solstice gnomes are far too powerful to just be given away. Generally, I hear people complaining that they didn't get what they wanted, or what they got wasn't "cool" enough.

Perhaps I'm rambling at this point, but it's been a very long day. If something I've said is unclear, I'd be happy to clarify.

Or that they didn't get anything at all.

That's probably more to do with the fact that it seems ok to complain about a disproportionate reward, but you just feel uncharitable if you complain about gifts! Daedalion's truckload of artifacts and skills has been ing me off, as has Synl's free stuff, but it doesn't seem fair to complain about it.

That's because Ironbeard didn't give out cubixes... if I recall correctly the most expensive arties being given away were in the 300 ~ 500 credit range.

Full disclosure: I got a ring of dominion from Ironbeard.

Biggest that I know of are the Marauder's Masks. He gave away a few of those.

Oh, I was gonna chalk that up to Shiri looking up your IP address.... I know I've done that to people before on IRC.

I hope the medallions are permanent, I hope I actually have a chance to make it to more than one event (it was fun though and if Soll hadn't had a freakishly huge support group and krellan hadn't deliberately killed my patients, I might've won it ), and... crap, classes start tuesday. *sigh*

Circlets for 600 credits, I believe.

I'm not sure that the rewards were disproportionate, given the circumstances, though it's easy to say that I'm a trifle biased. ( I also think it cheapens the events a bit to hold them every year, but that's neither here nor there.) I'm also not sure you saw what I was getting at, or perhaps I didn't express it well.

Ironbeard/Gnomes: Give away free artifacts and items to a vast array of people. It requires minimal effort on the part of the participants, or none at all. People continue to complain that they received something "lame" or nothing at all, despite having had to do very little (if anything) to obtain them. No-one complains that they're too powerful/valuable. (Feeling uncharitable apparently doesn't enter often into the picture.)

Ascension Event: Gives a nifty artifact to nine people. Requires a serious investment of time and effort on the part of the participants. People complain that said artifact, which was earned through heated competition with the rest of the Basin, is too powerful.

Is it the monetary value that seems to be the sticking point, or the usefulness (perceived or otherwise) of the artifact itself? I'm a bit confused.

maurader masks are 800 credits.

It's the usefulness. While a ton of masks at 800 credits were given out, not nearly as many prisms (700 credits) were. Prisms are vastly more useful than masks. Anyways the utility of a cubix tends to equal free raid, access to all of astral which is considered to be the best bashing spot for those trying to reach titan/demi, and it sort of acts like a get out of jail free card.

The medallions don't give access to Astral. They did initially, but that was changed... Unless mine has just been broken.

Hrrrm. I really don't have a problem with people keeping their medallions -and- the effects. Maybe I just don't have a jealous nature, but I'm pretty happy for the people that got such an awesome gift. I'd kinda feel bad if they've had it all this time and then get it taken away, even if I wasn't the one doing the taking-away.

I just feel like taking them would be wrong somehow, like giving a gift and then deciding you want it back. No one does that after elementary school.

On the other hand, if it was noted beforehand that the effects would only last until the next Ascension, and then be passed on, I'm totally cool with that since you knew beforehand that they weren't a permanent gift.

Regardless, the Medallion itself should always remain. The nine people who held them are closer to divinity than any other characters in Lusternia, as holding the medallion has fanned your divine spark. Especially if you also had the staff or whatever it was up on Astral. That's RP gold.

I'm not sure why the winners shouldn't keep their medallions with effects. If you recall last year, for many of the events there are credit prizes awarded for second through fifth place winners ranging from 100-700 credits. Why shouldn't the actual winners keep their high valued unique items? Of course, some may argue that the power of the medallion is too much, but that's a different argument from saying last year winners should have their medallions confiscated or have the powers on them neutralized.

I'm of the belief that the Medallion show only be in the possession of the current champion of the Seal. I just don't like the idea of more and more and more cubixes filtering in, because the people who win tend to be fighters and... Meh. I'm biased, I bought my cubix. And my circlet

Edit: I think they should be replaced with something, or the effect should be changed if they're gonna hang on to it.

And what? More people will have the same power you have to grief, raid, run, etc?

Estarra is right. This was a public event, everyone had the chance to do it. Taking their artifacts would mean that it's actually better to get second place in the events, because then at least you get to keep what you win. This really just feels like people whining that they didn't win, and wanting to make the game elitist by saying only people who can afford to buy 2000 credits should have a chance of having the artifact. Hard'n up-

I can't say it.

should take you to an exit, then go down an up and you can get to astral

My real concern is the event where we influence denizens for points, the harmony event I believe. This event is absurdly skewed for people who are commanders. Which really might not seem like a lot because why? Most people already take commander as a spec instead of the other two. I think this needs to get changed. The problem is probably due to the construct adding an extra 25% experience bonus in aether bubbles plus the denizens already relative strength. Anyways, not commanders need a chance too. Anyone who has ever won this event is a commander or has been fused to bubbles by a commander. You should not -require- an optional skillset to win this.

I think the effects of the seal should be toned down a little. It should be more like a cameo. It's still more than the other credit prizes. Or maybe a cameo+circlet. It's still more than the other credit prizes. And I think everyone will agree that a cameo is also a very popular artifact or one everyone wishes they could have.

I'll give it a shot, thanks. It's possible I've just been missing it, though I don't spend much time on astral, in any case... I die far, far too quickly.




I would certainly not be averse to the seal artifacts being more in keeping with the theme of the seals themselves. Cameo+circlet would have been fantastic for beauty, in my opinion, given Vestera's rather mutable nature and fondness for illusions, but I also don't believe the current scheme of artifacts was ill-conceived.

Very popular, yes. Not everyone wishes they could have one, though.