Who would you pick?

by Stangmar

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Stangmar2008-01-08 21:48:23
Just a bit of curiosity. Which candidate from each party looks most appealing for President. Pick one of each.
I picked Mitt Romney and Barak Obama.
Noola2008-01-08 21:51:38
This poll is difficult cause I wouldn't pick any of the Republicans. laugh.gif
Myndaen2008-01-08 21:52:55
Where's Morgfyre on this list?????
Unknown2008-01-08 21:54:36
I'm starting to like Hillary. Something about that teary-eyed response she gave to a reporter a few days ago got to me. You can't fake that sort of conviction. >_>

I'm laughing at all those "Ron Paul Revolution" kids. Not much of a revolution eh? Not a republican but if a gun was pointed to my head I'd most likely go with McCain, because he's my local senator and I like most of his policies. And a war vet.
Noola2008-01-08 22:02:07
QUOTE(B_a_L_i @ Jan 8 2008, 03:54 PM) 474604
I'm starting to like Hillary. Something about that teary-eyed response she gave to a reporter a few days ago got to me. You can't fake that sort of conviction. >_>

I'm laughing at all those "Ron Paul Revolution" kids. Not much of a revolution eh? Not a republican but if a gun was pointed to my head I'd most likely go with McCain, because he's my local senator and I like most of his policies. And a war vet.



Honestly, I'd probably go with McCain too, if I just HAD to pick a Republican. But I wouldn't be happy about it. laugh.gif

My Primary vote is torn between Clinton and Obama. According to nearly every poll which matches my political viewpoints with those of a candidate, I match up most with Obama. However, I've always liked Hilary Clinton even when she was just First Lady and yes, I'll go ahead and admit that I really would like to see a woman president. I honestly wish they'd run on the same ticket so I wouldn't have to choose. laugh.gif
Myndaen2008-01-08 22:03:05
QUOTE(Noola @ Jan 8 2008, 05:02 PM) 474611
My Primary vote is torn between Clinton and Obama. According to nearly every poll which matches my political viewpoints with those of a candidate, I match up most with Obama. However, I've always liked Hilary Clinton even when she was just First Lady and yes, I'll go ahead and admit that I really would like to see a woman president. I honestly wish they'd run on the same ticket so I wouldn't have to choose. laugh.gif


She wore a PINK SUIT to the debate! PINK SUIT!

That earns points in my book. She's a woman and she's not afraid of her femininity.
Unknown2008-01-08 22:33:12
RON PAUL

Ahem. Anyway. I'd rather have Clinton than Obama, at least she (among other things) knows firsthand what she'd be getting herself into. I think she's the devil incarnate, but she'd make a better president than most of the people up on that list. tongue.gif
Daganev2008-01-08 23:06:43
QUOTE(Kromsh @ Jan 8 2008, 02:33 PM) 474617
RON PAUL

Ahem. Anyway. I'd rather have Clinton than Obama, at least she (among other things) knows firsthand what she'd be getting herself into. I think she's the devil incarnate, but she'd make a better president than most of the people up on that list. tongue.gif


I can't stand the idea of

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. It just looks so tacky on our record!

Also, the idea of Bill being in the white house again scares me as well. (We limited it to two terms for a reason) You know he's going to be more involved then other presidential spouses, and if he wasn't publicly more involved, that would make me even more scared.

However, I wouldn't mind Hillary as vice president, that gives Bill much less power.

Unfortuneatly, I only know who I -don't- want as presidant, and have no real desire to see anybody. Thats why my votes go to Ron Paul and Kusinich smile.gif
Unknown2008-01-09 00:14:30
I can't really stand Mitt Romney. Every time he speaks it is nothing but contradictions. He has no real ideas. I'm a democrat, and will probably vote democrat no matter what, but I really like Ron Paul. He's the only one of the Republicans I do like.

I like all of the democrats, except Hillary. I wouldn't mind Bill being "in the White House" at all. I think he was a great president.

I chose Ron Paul and Barak Obama, though.
Xavius2008-01-09 00:14:44
QUOTE(Kromsh @ Jan 8 2008, 04:33 PM) 474617
RON PAUL

Anyway. I'd rather have Clinton than Obama, at least she (among other things) knows firsthand what she'd be getting herself into.

Experience in the White House and Middle Eastern foreign policy.
Verithrax2008-01-09 00:25:39
It's annoying how many people have drunk the Ron Paul kool-aid.
Daganev2008-01-09 00:38:14
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jan 8 2008, 04:25 PM) 474653
It's annoying how many people have drunk the Ron Paul kool-aid.


Its annoying to me as well. However, I don't think you understand what it is that draws people to Ron Paul.

Its really the same thing that Obama and Hillary are arguing about, but much more obvious and open minded.
Daganev2008-01-09 00:43:56
QUOTE(Xavius @ Jan 8 2008, 04:14 PM) 474650


Heh, that would be Ron Paul's point.

Thank goodness he won't win smile.gif
Unknown2008-01-09 00:45:39
QUOTE(daganev @ Jan 8 2008, 06:06 PM) 474623
I can't stand the idea of

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. It just looks so tacky on our record!

Also, the idea of Bill being in the white house again scares me as well. (We limited it to two terms for a reason) You know he's going to be more involved then other presidential spouses, and if he wasn't publicly more involved, that would make me even more scared.


Oh no, not tacky! Anything but tacky!

What's so bad about Bill having a say in things again? He did a particularly good job as president.

QUOTE(Xavius @ Jan 8 2008, 07:14 PM) 474650


I'd totally comment if the video would load.

QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jan 8 2008, 07:25 PM) 474653
It's annoying how many people have drunk the Ron Paul kool-aid.


I only "voted" for him as a joke. It is a bit troubling that other people, apparently, didn't.
Daganev2008-01-09 00:48:40
QUOTE(Kromsh @ Jan 8 2008, 04:45 PM) 474661
What's so bad about Bill having a say in things again? He did a particularly good job as president.


:facepalm:

You do know why we have term limits, right?

QUOTE(Kromsh @ Jan 8 2008, 04:45 PM) 474661
I only "voted" for him as a joke. It is a bit troubling that other people, apparently, didn't.


Your "Joke" reason is the same reason why everybody else is voting for him.

It some deep pyschological stuff which will likely result in the creation of the new political party in 2010, with people such as McCain, Leiberman, and Bloomberg
Arix2008-01-09 00:57:06
To make sure bad presidents like Dubya don't stay around forever?
Daganev2008-01-09 01:08:38
QUOTE(Arix @ Jan 8 2008, 04:57 PM) 474665
To make sure bad presidents like Dubya don't stay around forever?


There has never been a concern about term limits with bad presidents.

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Amendment 22 - Presidential Term Limits

1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

Notes for this amendment:
Proposed 3/21/1947
Ratified 2/27/1951


HISTORY:
"Since the presidency of George Washington, only one thing could be said to be totally consistent - that no President had the job for more than two full terms. Washington had been asked to run for a third term in 1796, but he made it quite clear that he had no intention of doing so; that an orderly transition of power was needed to set the Constitution in stone. And so it was for almost 150 years.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was first elected President in 1932, and re-elected in 1936. When it came time for the Democrats to nominate a candidate for the Presidency in 1940, two things had happened. First, the Republicans had made great gains in Congress in the 1938 elections. And Hitler happened. Europe was in the throes of a great war, with trouble in the Pacific, too. A change away from Roosevelt, who had led the nation through the Great Depression, did not seem wise. He was nominated for an unprecedented third term, and won. It was not a landslide victory, however, and it is debatable that FDR would have had a third term had it not been for the war. When 1944 rolled around, changing leaders in the middle of World War II, which the United States was now fully engaged in, also seemed unwise, and FDR ran for and was elected to, a fourth term.

His life was nearly over, however, and his Vice President, Harry Truman, became President upon FDR's death less than 100 days after his inauguration. Though FDR's leadership was seen by many as a key reason that the U.S. came out of WWII victorious, the Congress was determined, once the war ended, to ensure that Washington's self-imposed two-term limit become the law of the land. Specifically excepting Truman from its provisions, the 22nd Amendment passed Congress on March 21, 1947. After Truman won a second term in 1948, it was ratified on February 27, 1951 (1,439 days). Truman could have run for a third term, but bowed out early before campaigning began."
From Wikipedia:

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After Roosevelt's death, the newly Republican 80th United States Congress desired to establish a firm constitutional provision barring presidents from being elected more than twice. The rationale was a concern that without limits, the presidential position could become too similar to that of a benevolent dictator lasting not just four years but a lifetime, that the position could become too powerful and upset the separation of powers, and that he could become so powerful that elections would become dispensable. Hence, the Twenty-second Amendment was adopted.

Criticism of the amendment

Dwight D. Eisenhower expressed his strong opposition to term limits, saying, "The United States ought to be able to choose for its President anybody it wants, regardless of the number of terms he has served." Ronald Reagan publicly supported repealing the amendment. Bill Clinton stated his opposition to repealing the amendment, but supported modifying it to prohibit former presidents from serving more than two consecutive terms, but permitting them to seek election after an intervening term.

The relationship between the 22nd and 12th amendments

Some have questioned the interpretation of the Twenty-second Amendment as it relates to the Twelfth Amendment, ratified in 1804, which provides that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."


Only only has to see what Chavez and Putin have done lately to know why this is a bad thing.
Unknown2008-01-09 01:16:32
Yes, that's -why- we have that amendment, but I really don't think it makes sense. If the people are -electing- you over and over again, it is, by definition, not a dictatorship. At any time the people could not elect you.

However, people elected Bush for a second time, and I'm scared to death they'd do it again, so I'm actually thankful for that rule in this case.
Noola2008-01-09 01:25:30
I'm not sure why Daganev keeps bringing up the amendment and term limits... Hilary Clinton is not Bill Clinton. And maybe Bill'd have a say, but his wouldn't be the say that matters anymore than hers was when he was president. dunno.gif That seems like an odd reason to be opposed to Hilary Clinton. But hey, to each their own! laugh.gif
Unknown2008-01-09 01:30:40
QUOTE(daganev @ Jan 8 2008, 08:08 PM) 474667
From Wikipedia:
Only only has to see what Chavez and Putin have done lately to know why this is a bad thing.


I thought you didn't trust Wikipedia? Anyway, Chavez tried and failed to serve for life, because Venezuela's people voted against it (barely). Whether or not Hillary (and thus Bill) gets into office will also be determined by the people.

edit: And what Deschain said, I guess.

...And Noola. That's what I get for having a lot of windows open, this one being last.