KA mod costs

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Unknown2008-01-11 05:44:57
Pfh. I had to transcend Environment to use my abilities to their full extent. ENVIRONMENT.

(And yes, I'm still pretty annoyed over that.)

As I've been told, the higher costs are only so new players can't just PPK - but at Transcendant Kata, you can still PPK-whore, so... seems a little pointless overall. Fix BreakNose plz (or remove Break mod!)
Xavius2008-01-11 05:45:26
QUOTE(krin1 @ Jan 10 2008, 11:44 PM) 475887
Glamours bards, non-runic druids, and crow/stag warriors.
Well i'm a glamours bard and i've never not been able to use my skills they might not have been effective but i could actually use them. not a crow/stag warrior but i bet they can use their skills if they really wanted to.


Right, well, you're from a city and don't have the skills in question. tongue.gif
Unknown2008-01-11 05:46:23
QUOTE(krin1 @ Jan 10 2008, 11:44 PM) 475887
Glamours bards, non-runic druids, and crow/stag warriors.
Well i'm a glamours bard and i've never not been able to use my skills they might not have been effective but i could actually use them. not a crow/stag warrior but i bet they can use their skills if they really wanted to.


wait...glamours bards can't use their skills? I'm so lost.
Unknown2008-01-11 05:46:39
Well. then if i dont understand it explain it?
Xavius2008-01-11 05:47:41
PixieDust Stanza: Low (1-3) Targetable: No Those of your enemies who hear the sound of this music will find that any poison entering their system will become more and more tired, regardless of whether they resist the poison or not.

VenomDrops Stanza: Low (1-3) Targetable: No Those of your enemies who hear the sound of this music will find their resistance to poisons dramatically decreased and they'd be more susceptible to being poisoned.

Eldanien2008-01-11 05:48:18
QUOTE(Xavius @ Jan 10 2008, 11:20 PM) 475870
By "fix" you mean "remove," right? Use stun mod and comment out break mod. Stun isn't so horrible.


Maybe, maybe not. If fixing the breaknose stun issue wasn't enough, then yeah, go a step further. But as is, we've cut out a lot of options that didn't seem overpowered in order to plug a hole that was.

Now, you can't stun with concussion, unless you drop an attack - and the point of concussion is to get a hidden attack effect in. Tahtetso can't punch-punch-starkick with a stun and any other modifier at all, to include speed.

And that's with trans skill. As is, lower skilled people learn a mod they absolutely must avoid until the uppermost skillranks. This seems counterintuitive. Maybe stun should be moved up, and skills shuffled/spread down?

When you learn Stun, it costs 175 Ka and you have 200 Ka. There's nothing you can add to a form that's less than 50 Ka. I understand the game isn't balanced around lower skill levels, but all of that aside, we've still cut out viable (not OP) options in order to fix a problem that should have been dealt with by replacing breaknose.
Unknown2008-01-11 05:49:32
Mmmh, bards are ment for team combat. And if you wanted to use those skills grab a dagger and start stabbing see its usable.
Xenthos2008-01-11 05:50:37
QUOTE(krin1 @ Jan 11 2008, 12:44 AM) 475887
Well i'm a glamours bard and i've never not been able to use my skills they might not have been effective but i could actually use them. not a crow/stag warrior but i bet they can use their skills if they really wanted to.

You really shouldn't talk when you don't know what you're talking about-- there are a lot of skills in Crow that are hard-coded to only work if you have a nest. A nest is hard-coded to only be able to be built on top of a totem that you have bonded to. No totem, no nest. No nest, no skills. Bonding to an unruned totem means that your totem will be released and your nest will die very quickly (because it needs to be runed). Thus, you don't do anything until a runed totem is set up for you-- meaning that you cannot use your specialization skills.
Unknown2008-01-11 05:54:24
If you can have a totem set up for you you can actually use the skill I actually cannot use my skills because of this unforseen change to the game.
Daganev2008-01-11 05:56:59
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jan 10 2008, 09:50 PM) 475898
You really shouldn't talk when you don't know what you're talking about-- there are a lot of skills in Crow that are hard-coded to only work if you have a nest. A nest is hard-coded to only be able to be built on top of a totem that you have bonded to. No totem, no nest. No nest, no skills. Bonding to an unruned totem means that your totem will be released and your nest will die very quickly (because it needs to be runed). Thus, you don't do anything until a runed totem is set up for you-- meaning that you cannot use your specialization skills.


Thats not really the same as getting a skill at adept and it says in the AB file that you will only be able to use it once you reach fabled. (which is the case with a ka cost that is too high for how much ka you have to work with)
Everiine2008-01-11 05:59:22
Request:
QUOTE(krin1 @ Jan 11 2008, 12:33 AM) 475879
Name one other arch-type that cant actually use its skills once they get them.


Response:
QUOTE(Xavius @ Jan 11 2008, 12:38 AM) 475883
Glamours bards


Counter-response:
QUOTE(krin1 @ Jan 11 2008, 12:44 AM) 475887
Well i'm a glamours bard and i've never not been able to use my skills they might not have been effective but i could actually use them.


You realize you defeated your own argument, right? Other people have or will adapt to the changes in Monks, just as you adapted to Glamours-Bards when others claim it is useless.

Changing and adapting is how improvements are made.

Unknown2008-01-11 06:01:00
I didnt claim it was useless i said I CANNOT USE IT i can't use the skill as even with 1 punch i wouldnt have the Ka to use the skill difference between a useless skill and an unusable skill
Everiine2008-01-11 06:04:06
If one can't use something, that generally means it is useless.
Unknown2008-01-11 06:04:53
well i dont see my self adapting to a skill that i cant use.
Xavius2008-01-11 06:05:48
He honestly doesn't have the skills in question.

Unlike the commune glamours bards, though, the monk can invest some lessons and use them. The glamours bards can't use those skills even at trans.
Unknown2008-01-11 06:08:25
He can use the skills the enemy is still effected by the skill you use. Like i said before The bard has skills that are ment for group combat that is one of them.
Malarious2008-01-11 06:31:56
Hexen Nihilists for another skill that wont work (without some interestin changes that are just too tedious to go into)!

Anyway!

Mods cost more so you cant PPK whore, correct.

PPK wounding is supposed to have dropped, correct.

A standalone raze was added.

Skive doesnt slow the form.

Think some of this is trying to hint that you should use the spec instead of just kata? tongue.gif
Daganev2008-01-11 06:34:58
QUOTE(Malarious @ Jan 10 2008, 10:31 PM) 475923
Think some of this is trying to hint that you should use the spec instead of just kata? tongue.gif


If he could use the spec he would have enough lessons to use the ka!

Sheesh.
Malarious2008-01-11 07:19:13
QUOTE(daganev @ Jan 11 2008, 01:34 AM) 475925
If he could use the spec he would have enough lessons to use the ka!

Sheesh.



Oh noes you cant kill everyone with novice level skills no more!

I feel his pain.. oh wait no.
Unknown2008-01-11 07:23:50
QUOTE(Malarious @ Jan 11 2008, 07:19 AM) 475953
Oh noes you cant kill everyone with novice level skills no more!

I feel his pain.. oh wait no.


Oh noes i cant even hunt with novice level skills no more!