And before anyone can deny it, Veonira stated that she would not enemy 'All-Magnagoran teams'

By "ridiculous display," you mean "Thoros going in and pinlegging him"? The demesne thing was separate, afaik. I didn't see any other evidence of teaming. And, yes, feel free to "team up" if you want to get yourself DQed and hand Mag a victory!

... or go kill them. Yay!

Not according to ES, they didn't.

Thoros and Revan used Veonira's demesne to attack. She allowed them and refused to even bother with them, allying them to herself. I saw Lyco in the room with Revan at one point as well.

The red team and the green team very pointedly avoided each other, going so far as to run away when in the same room, until a non-Magnagoran team was engaged with the other.

My team was killed by being chaindragged into a room of five Magnagorans while the sixth stood in my demesne as bait.

You have Veo's demesne issues, and that's another team altogether.

Not at all just Thoros and Veo.

Also, when I confronted mag on the matter I was actually called a traitor in other words. This is Magnagoran's plan and frankly I don't mind helping stop this 'plan'

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Participant Health Mana Ego Location
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Sojiro 9892/9892 4534/4576 7176/6240 side of a hill near the f
Shikha 8174/8174 3769/3790 5388/5388 muddy river passing the w
Thoros 10120/10120 4242/4600 6900/6900 cobbled path at the foot
Krellan 7555/7273 8124/8349 6600/6600 on the side of a small hi
Veonira 4728/4728 4574/4974 4482/4482 muddy river passing the w
Ceren 6900/6900 6788/6600 6900/6900 a small clearing
Hyrtakos 8280/8280 5175/5175 4830/4830 a field of rocks
Munsia 5738/5738 5785/5785 4090/5212 a stagnant pond
Narsrim 5377/5520 7245/7245 6900/6555 a field of rocks
Daevos 9946/10869 3784/4074 5230/5230 a small clearing
Lyco 4080/4080 6212/5970 4620/4620 a small clearing
Visaeris 6471/6471 7517/7517 7517/7517 cobbled path at the foot
Revan 4686/4686 5393/5580 5844/5580 cobbled path at the foot
Haiden 4630/7602 3344/3388 4380/4380 side of a hill near the f
Pentu 9333/7856 3871/3944 5916/5916 muddy river passing the w
Xiel 6516/6516 6118/6900 6244/6244 footpath on the side of a
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Participant Health Mana Ego Location
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Sojiro 9892/9892 4576/4576 7176/6240 wasteland by the Seres
Shikha 8174/8174 3790/3790 5388/5388 Seres river surrounded by
Thoros 10120/10120 4324/4600 6900/6900 at the foot of a staircas
Veonira 4728/4728 4974/4974 4482/4482 Seres river surrounded by
Ceren 6900/6900 6662/6600 6900/6600 mountain summit
Hyrtakos 8280/8280 5175/5175 4830/4830 a field of rocks
Munsia 5738/6037 5585/5499 4962/5212 a field of rocks
Narsrim 5520/5520 6895/7245 6900/6555 barren field on the bank
Daevos 10869/10869 4124/4074 5230/5230 mountain summit
Lyco 4080/4080 5436/5430 4620/4620 mountain summit
Revan 4686/4686 5355/5316 5844/5580 at the foot of a staircas
Pentu 9333/7856 3944/3944 5916/5916 Seres river surrounded by
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Members left: Red: 3 Yellow: 1 Green: 2 Black: 3 White: 3


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Participant Health Mana Ego Location
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Shikha 6578/8174 3483/3790 5388/5388 a barren expanse
Thoros 10120/10120 3835/4600 6900/6900 barren field on the bank
Veonira 4728/4728 4974/4974 4482/4482 a barren expanse
Ceren 10062/6900 6690/6600 6900/6900 mountain path beneath a c
Hyrtakos 8280/8280 5175/5175 4830/4830 a field of rocks
Munsia 4229/6037 5018/5499 5212/5212 a field of rocks
Narsrim 6624/5520 8134/7245 6900/6555 barren field on the bank
Daevos 10689/10869 3958/4074 5230/5230 mountain path beneath a c
Lyco 4080/4080 5636/5430 4595/4620 mountain path beneath a c
Revan 4686/4686 5316/5316 5844/5580 barren field on the bank
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Members left: Red: 3 Green: 2 Black: 3 White: 2

^-- Here, we have Narsrim in a room with two Mags. Clearly, he is teaming with them.

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Participant Health Mana Ego Location
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Shikha 8174/8174 3752/3790 5388/5388 a barren expanse
Thoros 10120/10120 4321/4600 6900/6900 barren field on the bank
Veonira 4728/4728 4974/4974 4482/4482 a barren expanse
Ceren 7518/6900 6602/6600 6900/6900 on the banks of the Seres
Hyrtakos 8280/8280 5175/5175 4830/4830 a field of rocks
Narsrim 5701/5520 7245/7245 6900/6555 a field of rocks
Daevos 10869/10869 4018/4074 5230/5230 on the banks of the Seres
Lyco 3701/4080 5451/5430 4370/4620 on the banks of the Seres
Revan 4686/4686 5241/5316 5844/5580 barren field on the bank
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Participant Health Mana Ego Location
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Shikha 8174/8174 3772/3790 5388/5388 barren field on the bank
Thoros 10120/10120 4321/4600 6900/6900 a stagnant pond
Veonira 4728/4728 4974/4974 4482/4482 barren field on the bank
Ceren 7518/6900 6529/6600 6900/6900 a stagnant pond
Hyrtakos 8280/8280 5175/5175 4830/4830 a stagnant pond
Narsrim 596/5520 7245/7245 6900/6555 a stagnant pond
Daevos 10689/10869 3626/4074 5230/5230 a stagnant pond
Lyco 4080/4080 5473/5430 4400/4620 a stagnant pond
Revan 4167/4686 4560/5316 5844/5580 a field of rocks
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Members left: Red: 3 Green: 2 Black: 2 White: 2

First and only evidence of any sort of teaming. Revan left. Thoros was being silly. No actual evidence if they planned on going in together or not-- I suspect if they had, Avechna would have stepped in (as I was informed was the plan).

However, yes, by the time I was on your team was already gone so I don't have ES from that time, Xavius. I'll grant that. Teams "not fighting each other" to begin with isn't teaming, though. People do that all the time in FFAs as well. Teaming is actually working together to kill someone, not "leaving someone alone". Yes, the latter does increase the chances of your organization winning, but I don't see any way it's actually against the rules as I heard them.

my guess it when you start teaming in the next ffa, they will disqualify people, not so much that the admins favour mag, but that they will chose to enforce it , only to late.

Teaming, however, is standing two rooms apart, ganking a team when engaged, and running away peacefully once the threat to your sister team is gone.

Once again Xenthos, since you don't seem to be listening. Thoros and Revan were chaindragging/tackling into her Demesne to fight people. That -IS- teaming.

edit: When we were engaging Veonira's team, Thoros' team was 1 room away trying to drag us away.

I did, but I don't consider that the same as teaming.




They weren't allied to me. My team had been scuffling quite a bit with your team, which is why your team was enemied. I don't really consider leaving other teams be of people I wouldn't mind winning as teaming.

As for the chain dragging, I had no idea they were doing that.

You told me you were leaving all Magnagoran teams alone till the end. You allowed them to go in your demesne unharmed. You allowed them to use your demesne to attack. That -IS- teaming. They used your attacks

It's an iffy situation. It's fine to ignore org-allies during an event like this, but if a team is using a allied meld to fight another team, that should be illegal.

280h, 5145m, 4830e, 7p exkb-sq w

-- IN CHOKE !!! -- MAKE SURE TRIGGERS ARE OFF !!!!

Thick shadows drag against your every action.
8280h, 5145m, 4830e, 7p exkb-
A field of rocks.
The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. Ur'Myrmidon Thoros d'Murani, Of the Red Masque towe
rs here, shrouded. He wields Aylin, the silver scimitar in his left hand and Aygul, the silver scimitar in his right. Sohei

Revan n'Kylbar, the Subtle Touch is here, shrouded. He wields a dark serrated chain with both hands.
You can see no further.
8280h, 5145m, 4830e, 8p exkb-ql

-- IN CHOKE !!! -- MAKE SURE TRIGGERS ARE OFF !!!!

Thick shadows drag against your every action.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 8p exkb-
(Skeleton Hearth): Krellan (from the Prime Material Plane) says, "They didn't even have Visaeris."
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 8p exkb-
A stagnant pond.
The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. In the shape of an open palm, a metallic sigil lies
here. A sigil in the shape of a small, rectangular monolith is on the ground. Justiciar Narsrim D'cente`, Vengeance Reborn

towers here. He wields a holy symbol of the light in his left hand and a magic tome in his right.
You see a single exit leading west.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 8p exkb-sq w

-- IN CHOKE !!! -- MAKE SURE TRIGGERS ARE OFF !!!!

Thick shadows drag against your every action.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 8p exkb-
A field of rocks.
The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. A sickly black cloud of filth pollutes the air, buz
zing with bloated green flies. Dreadlord Lyco d'Erlette, Fain's Herald is here, shrouded. He wields a crimson lute in his l
eft
hand and a golden sunburst shield in his right. Ur'Myrmidon Thoros d'Murani, Of the Red Masque towers here, shrouded. He wi
elds Aylin, the silver scimitar in his left hand and Aygul, the silver scimitar in his right. Commander Daevos Feyranti, th
e
Dragon of Midnight towers here. He wields the sinuous claw of midnight storms with both hands. Ur'Tormentor Ceren towers he
re, shrouded. He wields a midnight morning star in each hand. Sohei Revan n'Kylbar, the Subtle Touch is here, shrouded. He
wields a dark serrated chain with both hands.
You can see no further.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 8p exkb-sq w

-- IN CHOKE !!! -- MAKE SURE TRIGGERS ARE OFF !!!!

Thick shadows drag against your every action.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 9p exkb-
A field of rocks.
The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. A sickly black cloud of filth pollutes the air, buz
zing with bloated green flies. Dreadlord Lyco d'Erlette, Fain's Herald is here, shrouded. He wields a crimson lute in his l
eft
hand and a golden sunburst shield in his right. Commander Daevos Feyranti, the Dragon of Midnight towers here. He wields th
e sinuous claw of midnight storms with both hands. Ur'Myrmidon Thoros d'Murani, Of the Red Masque towers here, shrouded. He

wields Aylin, the silver scimitar in his left hand and Aygul, the silver scimitar in his right. Ur'Tormentor Ceren towers h
ere, shrouded. He wields a midnight morning star in each hand. Sohei Revan n'Kylbar, the Subtle Touch is here, shrouded. He

wields a dark serrated chain with both hands.
You can see no further.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 9p exkb-
(Skeleton Hearth): Synl (from the Prime Material Plane) says, "Yo guys, how do you stop posing?"
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 9p exkb-
(Skeleton Hearth): Sarrasri (from the Prime Material Plane) says, "Visaeris disconnected."
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 9p exkb-sq w

-- IN CHOKE !!! -- MAKE SURE TRIGGERS ARE OFF !!!!

Thick shadows drag against your every action.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 9p exkb-
A field of rocks.
The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. A sickly black cloud of filth pollutes the air, buz
zing with bloated green flies. Ur'Myrmidon Thoros d'Murani, Of the Red Masque towers here, shrouded. He wields Aylin, the
silver scimitar in his left hand and Aygul, the silver scimitar in his right. Dreadlord Lyco d'Erlette, Fain's Herald is he
re, shrouded. He wields a crimson lute in his left hand and a golden sunburst shield in his right. Commander Daevos Feyrant
i,
the Dragon of Midnight towers here. He wields the sinuous claw of midnight storms with both hands. Ur'Tormentor Ceren tower
s here, shrouded. He wields a midnight morning star in each hand. Sohei Revan n'Kylbar, the Subtle Touch is here, shrouded.
He
wields a dark serrated chain with both hands.
You can see no further.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 9p exkb-
(Skeleton Hearth): Sarrasri (from the Prime Material Plane) says, "Stand."
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 9p exkb-
(Skeleton Hearth): Krellan (from the Prime Material Plane) says, "STAND."
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 9p exkb-
(Skeleton Hearth): Daem (from the Prime Material Plane) says, "Stand."
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 9p exkb-
Daevos tumbles in from the west.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p exkb-
Daevos suddenly starts scratching at an itch like mad.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p exkb-
Thoros razes Narsrim's aura of rebounding with Aygul, the silver scimitar.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p exkb-
Narsrim takes a long drag off his pipe.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p exkb-cleave daev lleg

-- IN CHOKE !!! -- MAKE SURE TRIGGERS ARE OFF !!!!

Thick shadows drag against your every action.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p exkb-
Narsrim is suddenly surrounded by cobalt blue sparks.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p exkb-
(Skeleton Hearth): Synl (from the Prime Material Plane) says, "Pah, I totally did that."
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p exkb-
Your action causes the nearly invisible magical shield around you to fade away.
You raze Daevos's aura of rebounding with a gnarled ancient greatsword.
You raze Daevos's speed defence with a gnarled ancient greatsword.
Cleaving through his defenses, you make a slow deadly strike at Daevos's left leg with a gnarled ancient greatsword, who br
andishes the sinuous claw of midnight storms. Your greatsword is deflected by a flick of the opposing greataxe.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p ekb-
Daevos takes a long drag off his pipe.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p ekb-
Thoros razes Narsrim's magical shield with Aygul, the silver scimitar.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p ekb-
Ceren's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
Ceren razes Narsrim's speed defence with a midnight morning star.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p ekb-
Thoros whips Aygul, the silver scimitar through the air in front of Narsrim, to no effect.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p ekb-
Narsrim takes a drink from a diamond vial.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p ekb-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
8280h, 5175m, 4830e, 10p exkb-
Lyco's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
Lyco weaves a glamour of radiant prismatic colours, dazzling Narsrim with a burst of deep indigo whorls.

Well, isn't the whole point of the various contests that not only is the person who wins the most skilled and/or luckiest, but is a person who can encourage people to rally to their cause? To support them in the big Astral fight for the staff thingie at the end? So, it doesn't seem too unusual that a group of people might decide that they'll focus on all the folks they don't want to win first in an event like this one, so that in the end - even if an individual doesn't come out on top, he or she can feel good about supporting the person who does?

Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding the situation.

No timestamp on the above log, but from how many times I squinted through choke, you know that they were there for a while before all entering and attacking at the same time.

Wargames and FFA's should be all out, Noola. Not find allies and team up

Well, sure. I can see that. But this isn't just an ordinary Wargames, is it?

How can it be teaming if I had no idea they were doing that?

I told you they were doing that
Also Narsrim talked to Shikha and Shikha told him that she didn't care