Personally I think it's silly that there's a "no teaming" clause anyways.

But I also think it's silly that certain people team up with city/guild/order enemies.

And I also think it's silly that "not fighting other teams" is being called "teaming". Why would Veonira's team want to piss off every single team in the arena at once by enemying them all? What good would that do her?

Picking your battles is a big part of tactics.

That too. If we had enemied everyone we would have been killed off at the very start.

Okay, then we still shove the blame on your team, Visaeris.

Edit: Also I have more loyalty to Order/city/guild enemies then I do to those in the city

Teaming is supposed to not be allowed. You already have your team of 3. In this situation the people involved bended the rules to the point of breaking in order to gain an advantage and eliminate the other teams that ween't aligning along IC organizational lines. While the actual rule might not have been broken (though I would say that using someone else's meld pretty much makes that person a part of your team), it can be argued pretty easily that the spirit was.

Don't play innocent. You're one of the non-grey-area offenders. You stood in a room with other Mags, had others chaindragged in, and killed the people chaindragged. If you weren't teaming, you would be fighting each other instead of finding outside targets.

At no point did I(or my team) stand in a room with other Mags. I know, I watched them play

(I also disconnected half way through).

View Hyrtakos' log

I so wish I had logged that. The evidence couldn't have been more black and white.

So basically my team is being accused of *not* coordinating with other teams and accidentally attacking someone already being attacked?

Okidoke then.

On behalf of my team, I formally invite the Administration to review every tell and clan message sent by my team during the fight, as a proof that there was no attempt to coordinate an offense against any team.

Accidentally? Isn't that oh so convienant. Also by standing inside Veonira's demesne, using it to attack us, knowing we are enemied. It's the same as her standing there.

Actually, for it to have worked out like it did, I'm almost certain Thoros would have had to have seen Daevos begin tumbling in before walking in himself. The only thing that can possibly be taken from the log, and I never accused anybody of anything, was that they were sitting there waiting for the other Mags to join in. (that is not what I'm saying at all though)

Nobody was paying attention to whose demesne it was, whether or not we were allied, and so on.

The goal was: Kill the hardest team. Go go?

There was no intentional collusion, it just happened.

Not really.

Why do I fail to believe that you guys didn't realize you were in a demesne? Oh that's cause you're lying.

I wasn't there, all I can do is take Revan and Thoros at face value, on an OOC level.

Luckily this administration seems to side with the presumption of innocence!

Noone's blaming you directly. I know you were d/c'd halfway through. You really never engaged us cept from the beginning outside of Veo's demesne. Then you got d/c'd

Oh, I'll blame him directly. He did it before d/cing.

when Soll got raised it was a rule clearly said by administration


not relating to the situation and not accusing anyone, just a general comment: We all know it is easy enough to use chat programs outside of lusternia so it is really irrelevant if they do or not.

Avechna announced not to do it. So that's done and over with

edit: Once again. Congrats to Thoros' team by teaming

You guys should have already foreseen this happening. It has happened before, and it was a definite case that it would happen again. Though some will try to use plausible deniability on their side, any who actually know the character of some of the people involved know that those people have plenty of times lied and cheated before to get what they want. That being the case, the rest of you should have from the get go planned accordingly to deal with the threat.

Heck, I remember last time when this same sort of thing was done to my team, and the admin waited to the last final wargames to install the rule that teaming was banned. Even with it being explicitly stated that teaming was not allowed, some were still incapable of following the rules and found themselves disqualified.