I don't really understand why they are making the final three teams fight again. There was no teaming. I had to leave because my friends and I were going to a movie, so I told Shikha and Pentu that we should probably just go fight Munsia/Narsrim/Hyrtakos and hope we could at least take some people out. Visaeris and friends weren't even in their rooms, so we went in, broke demesne, fought Munsia's team. Visaeris and them ended up killing Munsia when she left the room (I admittedly tumbled out and saw her and attacked, I didn't notice anyone else around though).

Clearly the admin needs to define what teaming is. Maybe it would be better to have some sort of 3v3 tournament rather than a wargames, because there is NO way to police when someone attacks. If I am being attacked, and I run off and get killed by another team, is that teaming? Because I was attacked within a short time span? Please explicitly define what is and is not allowed. There were no team communications between mine and Visaeris's, and honestly my team was killed off and really didn't have much of an effect on the outcome because we weren't really attacking them at the same time as far as I know.

In addition, I think having the teams fight it out again is a bad solution, because it's assuming everyone's going to be around, and unfortunately I have work commitments which mean I won't be able to be around at the time given, so how is that any more fair? That solves nothing because now one team is being taken out of the equation, and the whole point of my team rushing was to inadvertently (please read: NOT TEAM TO HELP THEM) help Visaeris's team win by trying to at least take out one of the other team's members.

And in the event that nothing can be done about the time (as this is obviously the fairest solution), I believe that I should be able to choose a replacement for my team.

I don't understand why people feel it is so hard to tell if people are fighting each other. When I wanted to know if others were already engaged, I would first use ES. If I saw they were in the same room or rooms next to each other, I would assume they were attacking each other. If I was not sure about the situation even seeing that, I would send a tell to someone in one of the groups.

Let's see. I ES avengered. They weren't in the same room, and hadn't been for a long time. I have to go, we decide to attack. I ES avenger again, they aren't in the same room. I move in and attack.

I don't really see what I could have done differently.

He wasn't talking about you. He was likely speaking more towards why the other team moved to us and attacked Munsia while our two teams were in the same room the entire time.

Okay.

Well, in any event, I don't think it's very fair that the other team that lost has a chance to win again, but I won't.

Didn't you have a say in when it would be? I wasn't there and don't know how it was determined, but it only seems fair that you should participate.

I, myself, have a problem as well. With those that did break the rules receiving little more than a restart in which they have the advantage of being able to rush now. It's a strange message being sent when you can either cheat to win, or at worst come out with an advantage.

No, she didn't. She was logged off at this point.

When you're spamming ES avenger and looking only at grey, and you've already written white off as completely irrelevant, you're not watching white because you really don't care.

It's onlya fter I went back and looked at my logs that I saw white had moved in.

*win*

Can we fix monks now? puh-lease?

oh no, monks can fight, they must be nerfed immediately! Can I point out real quick that Visaeris and Revan are very high level, and that it's not that farfetched that they do a lot of damage and are decent combatants?

It's the straw that broke the camel's back, honey. When you have have a team of 2 monks that have only been recently released beat everyone else, then you have a monk that bashed from level 91 to 99 in a week (monk bashing it totally unbalance, though my numbers might be slightly off) that beat a heavily artied combatant who is regarded as one of the best pvpers in Lusternian history...you really have to wonder if something is indeed wrong with monks. And yes, there is something wrong with monks.

Well, I've been told that the relatively less coordinated team of a warrior, druid and bard who don't fight together much would have beaten them except for repeated mistakes. Sounds like a skill issue to me.

Also, ruptures being too good might have been involved, but then so might Thoros' broken pinlegs spam.

Wait which heavily artied combatant who is one of the best pvpers in Lusternian history did we beat? Seriously? There's nobody that we defeated that was that heavily artied or that well regarded, unless I missed it.

I went from 93 to 99 in a week and it took about 3.5 RL days of bashing. Out of 7. (Feel free to do the math and cry about bashing) Oh and when we're talking bashing.. Let's look at my bashing artifacts: cubix(2000 credits), level 2 crit rune(600cr), level 2 life rune(700cr), level 2 knight rune(400cr), ROA (500cr), circlet of lucidity(600cr), faerie wings(400cr).. All told 5200 credits worth of bashing power. Clearly I am a normal example of monk bashing.

Also Krellan Sojiro and Xiel walked in and barely did anything. They screwed up pretty bad. No Demesne. No Maelstrom. No nothing.

Your crusade to nerf monks is hilarious. Yes we're overly strong due to some issues with ruptures. Yes that will be fixed.

Our skill still won the day. We still coordinated very well and planned out our tactics and put a lot of time and effort into figuring out exactly how we'd fight.

Thoros? I missed the event cause I was at work so I'm assuming you, Revan, and Thoros had to fight it out in the end. If not, my mistake. Though it doesn't take away from the irony of two monks winning the event.

And yes, Monk bashing it totally unbalanced. Feel free to argue. I present to you evidence A: Geb and evidence B: you.

Wherein Geb said he preferred warrior bashing?

EDIT: Evidence C: Thoros!

Vis, revan, and thoros were on the same team

Geb (Geb, please feel free to correct me) bashed to demi as a monk before switching to warrior. I'm fairly positive he planned out bashing to demi as a monk before switching.

Okay, further proof. I hunt UV on a fairly regular basis. Vathael and Visaeris also frequent the UV. Vath, with a crit rune clears out hives substantially slower than Visaeris. Any time Visaeris hits UV, I have to hunt the fungus creatures because there really is no point to hunting hives. I can usually clear out a couple hives before Vath gets around to them all.

Edit: okay, this is an uphill battle. Me vs 3 monks who apparently think they just need minor tweaks. Unfortunately all the evidence points towards "monks are broken"

You shouldn't assume. It makes you stupid. We didn't fight. I was given it with no objection. They wanted me to have it, I picked them because they'd help me get it and let me have it.

I could also *probably* Thoros because he has almost no practice fighting Ninjakari at all. It happens.



Ask Geb which class he feels bashes faster.

Also ask me how much sleep I got that week.
Go on, ask me.

Also ask me how many RL dollars I spent on my bashing.
Go on, ask me.

The point I'm trying to make is that yes, Monk bashing is the best in the game. The admin are aware of this and I believe it's designed to be that way.

The example of me bashing is a poor one because yes, I am an animal.

Found it. I win.

Note that monk bashing has changed since then, but though you could argue that the uniform speed thing is an upgrade for PK, it's unquestionably a downgrade for bashing (don't argue this, seriously) so in that respect we're actually worse off.

EDIT: Actually, it's a downgrade for bashing most things, but it remains even for mobs that knock you down a lot.

My mistake! I'll totally admit to that. Shouldn't assume, lesson learned.



Hey, I'm just going on what Geb said. He was bashing to Demi as a monk before he switched to warrior. He was also quoted as a joke that the lag everyone was experiencing was a result of the amount of astral mobs he killed. But yes...I suppose "you win."

I have been proved wrong. Monks are totally fine. Balanced in every way, who am I to question such things. Carry on.