I do not know if there is another topic already about this so im putting it here:

I do not understand what is or is not allowed under pinleg at the moment.. before, people tells me there is nothing allowed under it except drink health.. but now with the envoy changes, i can eat herbs and focus body, focus mind too?

however, can i also drink purgatives, apply mending or apply health>

In other words, pinleg is now just another form of web?

a little help please..

You can sip, eat, focus, apply. You cannot smoke.

You could always eat. You just couldn't outrift. Now you can outrift and focus as well as eat and writhe.

Pinleg still stops you from starting tumble.

And it wounds and damages and poisons you, unlike web, and you can stack two which you have no choice but to writhe out of seperately (slower than they can do them), unlike web.

EDIT: And it does significant bleeding when you rend, unlike web. And you can't clot, unlike web.

thank you.. that helps a lot..

man, and to think i pause my system when i get pinlegs back then..

8836h, 3498m, 4956e, 3p, 24115en, 24162w exkp<>-
You have recovered balance on your right arm.
8836h, 3498m, 4956e, 3p, 24135en, 24165w erxkp<>-wipe 6259
wipe 3779
envenom 6259 with morphite
envenom 3779 with morphite
rend
rend
maneuver perform legpin celina lleg
maneuver perform legpin celina lleg

You have recovered balance on your left arm.
8836h, 3498m, 4956e, 3p, 24135en, 24165w elrxkp<>-
There are no poisons on that item at present.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24135en, 24161w elrxkp<>-
There are no poisons on that item at present.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24135en, 24161w elrxkp<>-
You rub some morphite on a bladed scimitar resembling flame.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24135en, 24161w elrxkp<>-
You rub some morphite on a bladed scimitar resembling flame.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24135en, 24161w elrxkp<>-
You give your weapon a vicious twist and withdraw it from Celina's body in a
shower of blood.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24135en, 24161w elrxk<>-
There is no one impaled upon your weapon.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24135en, 24161w elrxk<>-
You execute the Legpin maneuver: STRIKE CELINA LLEG.
Focusing on her left leg, you strike at Celina with a bladed scimitar resembling
flame. You strike deep into her left foot, pinning it down with your scimitar.

+--+
Celina's eyes close suddenly as she falls asleep.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24120en, 24161w elxkp<>-
You execute the Legpin maneuver: STRIKE CELINA LLEG.
Focusing on her left leg, you strike at Celina with a bladed scimitar resembling
flame. You strike deep into her left foot, pinning it down with your scimitar.
+--+
Celina wakes up with a gasp of pain.
Celina's eyes close suddenly as she falls asleep.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24105en, 24161w exkp<>-
With a look of agony on her face, Celina manages to writhe herself free of that
which impaled her.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24105en, 24161w exkp<>-
Celina wakes up with a gasp of pain.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24105en, 24161w exkp<>-
Celina eats a sprig of chervil.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24105en, 24161w exkp<>-
Celina eats a sparkleberry.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24105en, 24161w exkp<>-
Celina takes a drink from a jade vial.
8836h, 3476m, 4956e, 3p, 24105en, 24161w exkp<>-
Celina looks pale and gaunt as her body shudders on the end of the weapon.
8836h, 3498m, 4956e, 3p, 24105en, 24161w exkp<>-
Yukio leaves to the north.
8836h, 3498m, 4956e, 4p, 24125en, 24165w exkp<>-
With a look of agony on her face, Celina manages to writhe herself free of that
which impaled her.
8836h, 3498m, 4956e, 4p, 24125en, 24165w exk<>-
You have recovered balance on your right arm.
You have recovered balance on your left arm.
8836h, 3478m, 4956e, 4p, 24125en, 24161w elrxk<>-
Celina eats a sprig of chervil.
8836h, 3478m, 4956e, 4p, 24125en, 24161w elrxk<>-
Celina reads a scroll.
8836h, 3478m, 4956e, 4p, 24125en, 24161w elrxk<>-
---=CELINA -- IS AWAKE AND STANDING
8836h, 3478m, 4956e, 4p, 24125en, 24161w elrxk<>-

lolwut? This is Geo version Celina and she's supposedly lagging a little too.

There's also been several writhe time changes since then. Maybe one of the most noticable pertaining to this being writhe times increased across the board from the most recent monk summit. Hrm, I also seem to recall double pinlegs not stackable at one point. Or to put it better, they were stackable, but if you had both legs pinned and you writhed out once, it would writhe out of both. Not sure when that was changed though.

Are you sure this wasn't a dream? It's not been like this since I've had pinleg, which was a long, long time ago now.

Tested with Nejii and Anisu. Both had to writhe twice.

Yes... that's what he said.

"It works this way now, but it didn't at one point."

I'm just questioning if his "didn't at one point" is accurate.

I need to read better.

Not an ironclad verification since it was forever ago and memory is hazy, but I think it worked that way in the past. I'm pretty sure I tested it with Shinza, and it's the reason why I didn't expect double grapples to require separate writhes when I returned. I hadn't experienced all that time in between, so when I returned and promptly get involved in the Tahtetso, most of my game mechanics understanding (whether still right or wrong) was dated by two years.

I tested a long time ago whether web+clampdown requires separate writhe and i distinctly remember being able to writhe out of them both at the same time.. so from that point my understanding of writhe was that if you get entangled multiple times.. one writhe will remove them all..

but then most recent tests has proven otherwise.. :<

my poor system.. it will need another revision

Just so you know, Nezha, multiple writhe afflicts of the same type tend to get writhed from simultaneously. But this isn't a hard and fast rule as evidenced by the pinleg thing.

Different types of entangles should require separate writhes. Your example of a web and a clamp, that's probably either mistaken or a bug. Those are different types (entangle + clamp, take a look at HELP WRITHE) and should require separate writhes. That is unless they've thrown that rule out the window, which is possible but seems counterintuitive.

So... pinlegs require separate writhes. What else do? I'd imagine separate vinelashes do as well, though you'd use an ignite to get rid of them all if that proves more expedient.

WRITHE ENTANGLE - most normal web-type effects
WRITHE VINES - bound by druid vines from thornlash
WRITHE TRANSFIX - transfixed by fascination effects
WRITHE CLAMP - limb clamped in the mouth of a hunting animal
WRITHE HOIST - hoisted in the air
WRITHE ROPES - bound by ropes (like hangedman)
WRITHE SHACKLES - bound by shackles
WRITHE GRAPPLE - kata grappled

You have to writhe for each thornlash vine, pinleg, and grapple. Otherwise, writhing removes all entanglements of that category, which generally don't stack anyways.

Err, you don't have to writhe for each grapple in my experience. Not only do you not have to writhe from each grapple, but you can be writhing from a grapple, have it released and at some point a new one started, and you then writhe out of the second one.

The second one is a known not-really-bug-just-weird thing. The first just isn't true.

You say, "Ok. Reflexes off please?"
"Ok!" Aramel exclaims.
You twist Aramel's left arm with Kjat, Horizon Weft, pinning it tightly.
Aramel LOGAMID - Aramel LOGAMID - Aramel LOGAMID
You have recovered balance on your left arm.
You twist Aramel's right leg with Tarmoj, Sunrise Warp, locking it up.
Aramel's BOGAMID - Aramel's BOGAMID - Aramel's BOGAMID
You say, "Now please writhe."
You have recovered balance on your right arm.
Aramel Talnara, of the Lunar Mysteries says, "No accidentally killing me,
please."
You say, "I won't."
Aramel carefully writhes out of your grapple, escaping your grasp.
You say, "Now diagnose."
You say, "Are you still grappled?"
Aramel shakes her head.

Looks like "just true", I'm afraid!

Hmm. Diag it before the writhe. It might not stack from the same monk (but seems like it should--you have both arm and leg), and I'll see if I have a log of it. You don't writhe free of two monks at once.

I'm fairly sure the writhing for grapples as it works is not a bug.