Gee... you're really, really, not liked, eh? *grins* Licorice? When cometh ice cream?

Hey man, nobody can hold a grudge like candy do.

Oi, this is bad news.

Can someone calculate the best damage/speed ratio and figure out if str makes a difference anymore?

The best ratios depend on what you're hunting at the time. Each mob is going to take different amounts of damage until it perishes and that extra damage might take an extra swing off of something, and not another mob. There are things I hunt faster with my katana and there are things I end up hunting faster with my claymore.

When hunting things like groups of kephera or anything with constant hindering really, you should always be using damage weapons though.

If someone has a pair of high damage broadswords that are just lying around, I could give it a go. I might even post what I can currently do with my rapiers for the sake of criticism, since if STR is not making a difference right now, then my bashing should be some of the most absurd in the game (Shadowlord Faeling BM Titan). That and I don't fear the nerfing block.

Okay my target was an ornate royal crab. Strength 22.

It took me 9 hits with my 190 damage broadsword.

It took me 10 hits with my 67 damage rapier.

1 hit difference when there is a 123 damage difference between the weapons in question would seem to indicate that damage on the weapon really does not come into play much. Which would imply that there really is never a reason to use damage weapons, even if you're being hindered. Except your own perception anyway.

However, that doesn't mean strength doesn't. If someone of lower strength then me (that happens to be a blademaster) wants to test with the same weapons, contact me in game. It would help if you weren't an enemy of Celest if you wanted to test on the same mobs.

It ought to be more noticeable on something with more health, though. On the flipside, how fast are the swings compared to one another?

I'll go hit a lobstrosity and see if it's different. It's 2.7 recovery on the 67 damage and 3.3 recovery on the 190 damage.

EDIT: On repopping urns: 10 hits with the 190 damage weapon, 13 hits with the 67 damage. 23% difference if my numbers are right. One could assume the difference would get steeper the greater the health was. Though in the long run this would only really matter for those below a certain level who likely will not be facing mobs that have all that much health. After a certain point all you're really interested in is critical rate. So there IS a difference. The question is does the difference matter at any point in time?

Basically when you're not getting a lot of criticals, you tend to fight smaller things. Against smaller things the difference between the different damage weapons is barely noticeable so it essentially does not matter what you use.

When you're getting criticals, you tend to fight things with more health. However, with criticals the key is speed and trying to get as many criticals as quickly as possible. So the difference in damage doesn't really matter then either.

Hmm. At 13 STR, it takes me 6 hits to kill a kephera worker with a 190 damage weapon, 7 with 170 damage, and 8 with a ~100 damage weapon. It's also 6 hits with a 360 damage claymore, the higher damage only shows when hunting something bigger, like cave-fishers take 13 hits with 190 damage and 11 with 360.

Now thats just confusing! unless you mean the 190 is a katana?

These are numbers I came up with at 15 STR and rapiers with 71 and 76 damage on each respectively:

deepstone rockeater = 14 hits
centipede = 17 hits
solifugid = 19 hits
spidion = 21 hits
cave fisher = 27 hits
kraken = 37 hits

EDIT:

Oh, I just went after that ornate royal crab that was mentioned earlier with my own rapiers - 10 hits for me too.

Yeah. Took 13 hits with the katana, 11 with the claymore.

Okay! Now with a pair of broadswords with 190 and 181 damage.

deepstone rockeater - 12 hits
centipede - 14 hits
solifugid - 16 hits
spidion - 17 hits
cave fisher - 22 hits
kraken - 30 hits

Keep in mind that the rapiers both had 300 speed at the time of testing, with my average swing clocking in at 1.96 seconds if lag was minimal. The broadswords were 182 and 181 speed respectively, and swung at just under 2.80 seconds.

Now, if I were to try to kill a kraken and got no criticals at all nor missed once (which is highly unlikely):

With rapiers - 1.96*37 = 72.5 seconds
With broads - 2.80*30 = 84 seconds

The rapiers still come out ahead.

I wonder if Catarin would get identical numbers for her rapiers and broads on the same mobs despite mostly similar stats (it's evident they don't have a really enormous impact point per point) and a 7 STR difference.

My broads are the same stats so I will try those mobs and see what I get!

EDIT:

181 and 190 damage broadswords. 22 strength.

Solifugid - 15
Rockeater - 11
Fisher - 22

I stopped testing at this point as it seemed that if the 7 points of strength I have over you make any difference at all, it is extremely minor.

Wow... Tae'Dae are really screwed over now...

I actually remember a PB who would hunt with rapiers for the speed and crits. Ol Uncle Mel I think it was who did that.

Yeah, I'm thinking this is a bug/oversight.

We hope and pray!

So just to clarify, the gist of this thread is saying that the warrior bashing equation isn't influenced by weapon stats (majorly) OR warrior strength?

:/

It's always been very minorly influenced by weapon damage-- that's one of the main purposes of high-speed weapons (high damage: Primarily for damaging an opponent. High precision: Primarily for wounding an opponent. High speed: Primarily for hunting). That's why forgers can sell the high-speed weapons.

The strength thing is newer, though-- once upon a time, strength had a significant impact (flex + bear was an amazing difference).