I'm in no way, shape or form a veteran on Lusternia, so my opinion may hold little or no water, but here is my take about what is wrong with the conflict.

Instead of it being a Free For All between the four cities/communes, it seems like everyone has these little treaties that prevent conflict. Celest for example has treaties with both Seren and Glom, making their only target Mag. Not only does this unable Celest from attacking anyone else, but it makes it so Seren/Glom members can't participate in Mag/Celest conflict. It just seems like there is the big conflict of Celest/Mag and Glom/Seren's conflict is just secondary, but they can't participate in the Celest/Mag conflict due to treaties.

I think if it were more personal choice with who your "treaties" are with, it would allow for a lot more open ended conflict without all the rules and penalties.

Just my two cents.

No, it does not.

There's another part of Lusternia and it's called "Politics".

If you mean the attack thing in our treaty - it's pretty screwed up.

I think it does. I've seen Celest/Seren (the only two orgs who can ally against another org without stepping on treaty-toes) maybe raid twice together?

Yes, twice together in the last week or so, which is more than enough. This certainly counts as taking part in Mag/Celest conflict.
(bastards.)

I know it doesn't.

Since when did Celest have a treaty with Glom? I've never seen it...

I've read all the treaties.

The point is, the treaties make it so involving yourself in someone elses conflict causes a lot of drama. Ashteru/Celest issue would be Exhibit A.

Why is drama bad? That is conflict. Not necessarily the killing kind but still conflict and a lot of people really enjoy the conflict of negotiating the political landscape.

EDIT: Besides, it is hardly like treaties are a mandate from heaven. The moment they become too inconvenient to either party involved I imagine they will simply be revoked so that org can pursue whatever course of action they're interested in.

Treaties fortunately come and go. It gets to the point where someone finally says "To Nil with the treaty", does something so against it that the treaty goes poof and then we have conflict again.

The treaty thing is a very, very mild issue with org conflict. I can think of a few things offhand (conflict quests) that are bigger issues.

Drama is bad because it can get you kicked out of your org which you have invested time/credits/effort in because you refused to do something other than go be PKed by Sojiro.

Refused to do something other than go PKed by Sojiro...so wait, you wanted to go get PKed by Sojiro instead of writing or whatever and got booted? Which messed up org is that supposed to be? (Or did I read it wrong?)

It was a half-joking comment that if you want conflict in Glomdoring, you are mostly limited to fighting Sojiro and/or Krellan or showing up to Celest/Mag conflict and hoping some Glom enemy is there for you to fight.

Everiine has it exactly right. I know Lusternia well enough to know that it is volatile. Any one of those treaties could go up in smoke tommorow. I will admit that I personnally don't like the Celest Serenwilde one but thats because I would like to explore the RP of Sheia disliking Serenwilde more. But that time will come there is no doubt. The way things are right now may seem like it will stretch on forever but it could all shift tommorow and probley will. In the meantime as someone said enjoy the political stuff it can be just as enjoyable as combat though I admit it makes my hands shake less.

Wasn't the most recent Celenwilde war the direct result of Kalodan ignoring a treaty? We went from allies to enemies in a heartbeat.

Not at all. There was no such treaty. We were thinking of making one but that got aborted a few years earlier for totally unrelated reasons.

I saw this and thought of Nico



killing the liches

Anyways, back on topic

edit I should say something about treaties. I think they end up being used just to suit a certain purpose at the time. Granted some "no agression" pacts last longer. But I wouldn't consider those a true treaty. Like when Glom and Celest had a thing not to kill each others people. Unless the person was enemied and in your territory or something. I think that was more a non aggression pact than a treaty.

Really? Hmm... I could have sworn we got into a war because of something like this.

Kalodan messing around was part (though not all) of it, but you're embellishing your memory with additional details like treaties. You may also be thinking of that one time we did break that treaty where we let Glom do stuff in exchange for sparing Hart's life.