Then comes in the factor that Magnagora has no means to soul rezz. You die? You lich. You die again? Maybe you vitae. You die again? Get to praying cause if you died that many times you probably won't be getting your corpse back for immolation unless pray tell Ixion is about to use his rezz artie.

Despite my misgivings with lich, I still use it. And while trueheal is annoying, it doesn't make the game unplayable for Magnagora. If we're both avoiding XP death while bashing- good. Both Celestians and Magnagora can die in group combat regardless of lich and trueheal, so it doesn't make the game unplayable in that aspect either.

I have ideas for improving lich, but I'm not too fussed if they're never implemented. Rarely losing XP is nice. I imagine Celestians feel the same way about trueheal. And yeah, it's a change of opinion from when I thought everyone getting trueheal wasn't cool. Maybe it would be a chance to get some changes to lich? Either way, the admins would ask people who know about the situation first, so I'm not worried.

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Is it just me, or does this feel like we're stamping down treaded ground?

I never thought I'd see the day Celina was the most reasonable and insightful person on a thread. She even predicted other people's reactions without doing anything to cause them.

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I need to go now.

God its still here:

Lich is not the best skill in the game.
Trueheal is not the best skill in the game.

What they should do is have an event that causes a shift in something, giving all of Celest Lich for a few RL days and all of Magnagora Trueheal for the same amount of time.

Then let them go at it, see what downsides are there for both skills, then maybe people will finally realize the grass just looks greener. It doesn't mean it actually is greener.

I also think everyone with Lich/Resurgem/Sacrifice etc get that Egg that Glom has for a week as well. Then maybe people will say Holy crap... we thought (insert org skill) was bad... this egg.... this effin egg!!! Gimmie my skill back!


As for changes. It is true, there is no way certain org "majorities" would accept changes to TH without some changes to Lich, and vice versa. It is just the way things have been bred into us. We are like Serbs and Kurds, and we have been programmed to think the other must be bad because they don't believe what we believe.

I recommended one time that Trueheal be moved to the Healing skillset, enabling Sacraments to get some decent offensive skills for the Paladins who use it (skills that aren't heavily geared for equilibrium users). Some people were in agreement, some weren't. Some people told me they never ever used Trueheal, yet when I ended up putting in a Trueheal counting trigger, it turned out alot of people actually use it alot of times. Sometimes 3+ times in a single 1v1 fight.

This leads me to believe that TH is the "closet junkie skill", that it is claimed not to be used that much by people but in fact it is like heroin and it is used alot more than originally thought.

Now I am not saying this makes Lich users superior or anything in the slightest. They are the same way, except they are open about their "addiction" to Lich.

But if both skills were suddenly removed. Both sides would be going apeshit from withdrawl from em! I know I would be pretty pissed off losing my stat boosts, even if they are only at night. I tend to rely on them now. I am sure alot of people would also be pretty pissed if they went to try and TH and it said sorry not gonna happen.

Know what the best skill in the game is and is more OP than anything else? Nature rain. That's right. The forests long held secret. Rain will pwn you in any fight possible. Like come on, it makes you CLEAN, it gets you wet. There's no fighting against it, no curing it. It just happens and you can do nothing about it. Come on. Nerf Nature Rain.

Fire wand >>>> Nature Rain!! muahahah! Burn burn burn!!!

Any skill that gets the ladies wet is OP. It's the secret of the zerg. Cast rain, find a quiet spot, make more Serens.

Egg is pretty sweet, man. I mean, if I had Trueheal/Lich, or got Resurgem'd regularly, I'd probably find it pretty sweet, too. But yea, I don't mind egg (aside from it decaying EVERY SINGLE MONTH).

But what I meant was, people are used to what they have normally and view everything else as OP. By giving them what they want or what they don't want (which most people would not choose the egg over lich or TH) they may find a new found reverance for the skills they complained about.

I'm almost tempted to say yes please, though knowing that it will never happen, I won't. (Liches walking around Celest, really now...)
Otherwise I really and I do mean really wouldn't mind. Having serpent in LowMagic and Lich would be absolutely amazing. Yes, in some situations TH > serpent, for example when you need to cubix away. Since I can't cubix, I'd rather serpent and run as far as I can, in the same time regening... roughly 8 power while still with prismatic? Means after few more moments, I have enough power to serpent again.



I've yet to see anyone, Celestian or not, who thinks that TH means rarely losing XP. No Th will save your exp when you get dragged in a room with ton of people who are blocking and doing everything else possible to keep you in there and hurt you bad. You'll be pretty lucky if you'll manage to TH fast enough, but even then, it's all over after those seven seconds.

All in all I must agree that as long as there will be Lich in current form, people will complain. As long as there will be TH in it's current form, people will complain as well. But give TH to WHOLE CELEST, and you'll hear complaining on a whole new level, heh...




EDIT: And TH involves waiting for eq as well...

I looked and I don't think I said the rarely line. But if I did. it would have been meant as

Rarely losing XP is nice for a Lich. I am sure that Sacraments users feel the same way about the TH (meaning the skill and what it does in itself, not about lack of losing XP by using TH)

But I didn't see where I said it in the first place. But if I did, sorry I didn't clarify myself.

Nah, wasn't you Ildy, that was Karnagan... was just too lazy to add who was who, it's 6am...

ok whew, thought I was really messing up, even with my re reading it.

Meh, so... turns out I wasted my chance to mess you up?

Leave the crypt as is. Give everyone in celest that doesn't have trueheal a trueheal without barrier.

Heh, heh, heh... although I really could care less, but in that case, how about we change the crypt that those without Lich in Necromancy get a XP loss?

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HA! U DED!

Some of these posts are kind of stupid. I didnt read the whole thing. I quoted this one for the above part. Contagion has a power cost but eh not important. Note the +2 int and str are at night. its -1 the other 60% or so of the time. They tend to be at a loss, not a gain.

As for the rest of you lot...

Trueheal requires using no power for offense, or you refresh power to use it. Can you make use of it by not using power on purpose? Easily. Refer to Malicia, Nydekion, Nemerle, Narsrim, and Ilyarin you have all used it when raiding or defending (not being jumped even!).

Lich is put up ahead of time and yes your off eq with no power. In reality you have till the lich gets 10p back to rekill them before they will seed. On top of eye sigils to stop them from leaving.

Both have their own purposes and uses.

Should all Celest get Trueheal? No mainly because of guilds that lose NOTHING or little to nothing by choosing not to. Knights can choose to not ues power attacks and if they arent going for specific wounds they can do fine. But you cant give Tahtetso trueheal. The bastards just wouldnt die.. then again they can also tripleflash from the start!

I forgot the rest of the stuff, its time for me to nap. Just remember in your arguments to think about things from the other sides view. If Magnagora could rampage through celestia and trueheal, which means fully heal and repel attacks a bit. We probably would just because the main target can heal out AND still be target one. Celest had lich they would have more people want to raid. If Celest had more people raid more would conglute/pray especially with eye sigils (even with lich). If Magnagora has trueheal some people would forget about power or go petal to the metal and get themselves killed because why be careful to trueheal when you can just try to kill someone instead.

This debate is soooo old I cant believe any sane person made a topic on it.

Move this topic to idiots please