so every time somone says nerf cantors you also have to make sure you nerf wilderranne too? is that what your saying?

i say fix my :censor: but am wrong because a whole nother guild is ok with their skills?

No... but if they say nerf bards, then you would either nerf all four music specialisations, or more logically, the skills common to them.

And yes, pretty much. When you say your skills are weak overall, and there is another whole guild, which most would agree has a worse skillset than your own, who aren't saying their overall archetype needs upgrades, maybe you, individually, have a problem.

Druids being weaker than mages out of demesne does not justify giving druids psionics. Guardians having smaller entourages than wiccans does not justify giving Nihilists a spawn upgrade that puts the spawn on par with redcap. Axelords and pureblades having half the affliction rate of blademasters and bonecrushers does not justify an ability to amputate two legs in one swing. Just food for thought.

rika that's just dumb, i dont like my skills because i dont think they stand up to what is useful. that has no standing on another guilds skills. Yea i think wildranne skills suck, but just because im not saying to fix their skills my argument is void?

Well if thats the cause FIX THEIR SKILLS AND MINE.

You're still missing my main point. Maybe this will help.

YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT ONE SKILL AND JUDGE THE WHOLE GUILD.

Krin, your skills do not suck, and the odds of bards getting upgrades in the next two months without it also involving a major retooling of how the class works is pretty much zero. What you believe is useful and what actually is useful are not the same.

Please tell me how to use my skills xavius

Hinder opponent passively, loldodge, and mercilessly bash your opponent into submission with lolminorsecond? Post logs, get feedback.

and in all of that you didnt once say play your bardic songs.

If you can look at that and not see where the songs fit in, you fail.

Look! I am a better bard than you and I don't even play a bard.

now if only songs where passive which they are not so dont pretend they are.

You must have a different idea of passive than the rest of the playerbase. You see, things like a demesne? They take 70 seconds to set up in just one room and will eventually expire, and we call that a passive offense. You're going to have to define "passive" if you're going to say most of Necroscream isn't passive.

Songs are pretty much passive so don't pretend they're not.

Just... LOL. Necroscream is fine, really. QueensLament (Blackout/Shackles) is awesome used in conjuction with other things (I.E. hindering enchantments). I'm not going to tell you how to play a bard because no one told me how to play a bard and the best way to learn you skills is to figure them out yourself. Note that QueensLament in particular is NOT a passive, no you have to use it BUT Necroscream gets plenty of good passives. Increased damage, Increased Damage resistance, passive chance of giving epilepsy on an attack, PASSIVE HUNGER!!! (aka SickeningPlague) Hunger is the best thing about Necroscream. You get someone unconscious that just leaves them wide open for a Threnody. Maybe you just need to look into your skills better and figure out how to use them accordingly, bard is like one of the easiest classes to kill with if you know how to use your skills.

Lyco and Estwald. Estwald's out of it lately, but he was always good. And not long after Lyco switched, I saw him beat Geb in a spar or two.

My idea is that we autolock all threads started by Krin

Keep in mind One was a titan and the other was artied....and both were pre nerf.

That being said, despite the unnecessary nerf canon being taken too glamours, bards still remain really strong. Just..high health classes are next to impossible to kill without a magic rune.

Nah, bards suck hard now. I'd leave but I don't have the credits.

Where woudl you go anywaY?

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