I agree that it is very hard to kill people with high-health.. but Ive managed to defeat people with upwards of 6000 health with relative ease..

a bard just need to be braver and use octave more

My opinion on the matter is, most bards Ive encountered rely too much on minorsecond.. it will usually work, but if a bard does not learn how to properly drop an octave, in the long run it will hinder the bards development



Oh, I dont know about that..

I defend my class because im a bard and does not want people to think were horribly OP.. but in the same time, i need to be honest with the situation and say that objectively.. even with all the nerfs, bards are still relatively powerful..

Sure, it does take a little skill and a lot of power and loads of work to get the necessary kill conditions.. but I believe thats how things are supposed to be..

Exactly. Maybe a little less power expenditure at some point, but for the most part, that's how it's supposed to be.

Noctu is evil... he doesn't show that bards are broken, he shows that mugwump bards are broken... god he can hit you three times before you gain balance back, and he seems to be damn good at timing blanknote.

If I ever fight Noctu again, I aint going to even bother with earwort... the afflictions are easier to deal with then the bloody stun.

That's what you're *supposed* to do. If everyone did that, bards would be incredibly easy.

Really? I squished him before he did any damage and I've also managed to kill him in his own octave

My magic weakness scared me into fighting better I guess

In some random order...

- QueensLament is crappy, blackout and shackles? Sure not bad... but it costs power, something which bards now already burn through rapidly.

- Hmm spawn on par with a red cap... lets do better.. at archdemon imp should passive sleep, fiend should passive dominate, and demon should do mana and health damage

- Passive means you dont have to keep using it (you have to refrain, but the effects all continue)

- Cacophony have two options, you can either accept that Necroscream aims to starve or you can ask your envoy to try to change your focus (like spiritsingers have been doing).

- If bards didnt already have powerful mana and ego drains (the mana drain is around as strong as leech but also hits ego) I would say give them a new insta outside the timed ones which are useless, which should help with knights and such who can have too much health to kill nowadays.

- Bards shouldnt be able to damage kill everyone, just as I never expect to. I do damage kills on the assumption that I have a short period of time or they will move and heal. You have longer term but its more likely people will leave.

You have other options. Soulless, wrack, sac. Bards have a crappy insta that really isn't all that feasible.

Queenslament does kinda suck.

I said it when bards got the nerf, I'll say it again. Bards needed better and more controlled afflicting ability and a nerf to their damage.

I is bad against demesne-using telepaths..

and the damage of the geodemesne coupled with mindblast killed me when i had 2000 health.. *wince*



be that as it may, the reality of the situation suggests otherwise..

plus demesnes are not as effected by the stunning and off eq bards give out, which means a mage will be able to get ahead.

For a monk, stun is bad, but workable, being knocked off eq, if eq is not back before the next form, restarts the kata, making getting anywhere as a monk a unique challenge.

I think warriors should be able to hit for 2 afflictions at once, get increased damage the more wounds the limb they hit has and poisoning-rate should be 100%. At the same time, we should reduce their speed by about 0.5 seconds across the board to make up for these needed changes. Then warriors will be fine, seeing as smoking rebounding and webbing them already grants near immunity to them!

Also make it so they don't do damage unless the target is wounded, make them do about 500 wounds per combo at best, remove lunge/crush etc., and um...remove the 100% poisoning rate.

Only if they do 1400 on the third combo

I am -sorry-. I'll make sure to add /sarcasm tags to my next post.

Me too!

...Why would you be sarcastic about monks to a sarcastic post about bards? That makes no sense!

Wait, wasn't I already doing that? Or weren't you already doing it? Or both.

I didn't actually read any posts earlier than this page. :X I just made fun of a few players with bard-characters!

I noted bards needed another option (preferably vried by guild to give some variety).

Yes queenslament sucks.

Bards are a little under the bar now.

Everyone needs another option. Or three!

This thread is just......