For one you're never around to to give any kind of opinion about the Dekovens. You are essentialy an inactive family member. You show up for about a week every three or four months and complain and talk ooc about the other IRE games you've been playing and then you leave again. The rare times that you speak to Meliana you're complaingin because you dont know anyone.. here's a hint, show up more.

Yes, but what you said about the Dekovens just picking straight from the portals and being shallow and such, is a complete lie. Almost every Dekoven who is a child of Mel and Raf will say that for the most part, the family is really active and helps each other out alot. RP-wise, Raf and Mel dont see Denust and when they do see him, he's whining and b*tching people out on the family clan. What's the point in that RP-wise? Have him leave, serious irreversible matter or not.

Yes, the inactivity is my fault. But I do show up more than once every three or four months. In fact, my last absence was about 6 weeks due to college and a death in my family. It also, fortunately for me, coincided with the Ascendancy event. For another, I've only spoken about Aetolia a few times when the channel had already deviated from IC to OOC. I speak rarely on the channel for the reason that I don't really know when people are speaking IC or OOC unless it's obvious. It seems to switch rather fluidly at times.



You are referring to that? Where I say that I thought that was what was going on, and not making an outright accusation?

You've made the accusation IC before, so regardless, I wanted to get it straight.

I personally don't have that big of a problem with picking newbs. Sarin normally chats with them, if she likes them they are in. Ignoring Saaga (and the first born ) we generally haven't had many problems, it also allows them to get into an extra community within the game early on.
I didn't have a family until saran was around 60 though.

lol i sense Denust being zerged..

I am sorry for your loss, I really am, I've bee there. But you are always absent. This isn't something new, we rarely ever see you. If you HAD been around in the past decade or more and read any of the news, or family scrolls you'd know that the whole "hollow" statement is ridiculous. The Dekovens have a manse that a majority of the family lives in, we have a ship that we -try- and get out when we can. We have not one but THREE cartels that everyone actively contributes to as well as savings started for a fourth cartel and a manse shop for everyone to sell their own wares. Just about everything Mel and Raf do is for the family. We've both contributed millions of IG gold and money OOC to give the family the things they have so that everyone could have a good time and feel close and connected. The majority of the famiy IS close. Again, you would know that if you put in the effort.

So noted. I only brought it up again because I felt it was relevant to Gabranth's post.

EDIT:

I also said that I never meant for this to be a forum smear campaign, and neither did I ever say that I was an authority on the affairs of the family IG. I was agreeing with Gabranth's point: that Great Houses just might encourage families to view its members as numbers instead of people. And I cited my experience, which is admittedly outdated, in a large IG family.

This is in no way a smear campaign you stated things which are untrue and we supplied the facts. For something we've dedicated alot of time acheiving I don't think it's farfetched for us to be offended that you'd say these things.

The concept of viewing family members as numbers could be done away with if family member contributions mattered more in the long term *cough*

Glory is one thing that could work to such an end, it wouldn't matter that you had fifty family members. If those fifty members don't do anything for the family then you won't get ahead. but a family that was supporting each other and working to better their house would be rewarded (getting members to get honour lines, hunting parties, etc)

Glory could be a means to provide rewards for creating a more tightly knit family. Though i might be a tad idealistic

The Talnaras are recycled Mes'ards and their spawn anyways. For a group who claims nomesards they sure do like our men and women.

No, we just end up taking all the good Mes'ards. And the nomesard rule is the other way around.

Psht you are sorely mistaken, all the good mes'ard are lasairn and still in the family. By default any mes'ard who married out is not a good mes'ard

I like the idea of glory, but would it really be worthwhile having family vs family conflict?

As for the nabbing of every novice that steps out of the portal, Snaithy and Saaga spend time getting to know the kids they wish to adopt first, they have 5 boys and they are all really scholarly and have found their own feet in the basin before they have been adopted.

I remember saaga she's one of the few children I found for us and inducted into elo's order... so... WIN FOR ME ... wait she rejected... *shakes fist*

How can you say what is and isnot true. On something that is simply a matter of opinion.

Aramel is not a good Mes'ard? You have funny standards.

Aramel is now a Talnara, not a mes'ard therefore she can not be a good mes'ard as she is not one.

Eh, we don't just pick up every random newbie we see. We scout them out, we observe people and roleplay with them, get to know them, then figure out if they're a good fit for the family. Basically everyone in the d'Murani are friendly/close and were chosen because they fit in and could roleplay.




That's why I think that some sort of way to earn these things once you've reached Great House is appropriate. That way you prevent the people who just adopt willy nilly (and the majority of those people are not in these Great Houses, 50 members is a lot and is difficult to get if people are marrying out and what not) from getting awesome benefits. Give families "points" of some sort for achievements, like having GMs/GAs/Champions or City Leaders or Order Heads, for having a written history, for having Demigods or Ascendants, etc. I think the glory idea is awesome and would give Great Houses something fun. We give all of these great benefits to combatants, bashers, etc. Why not to people who put a lot of time into their family roleplay?

What would be awesome, is to allot credits to greathouses whenever a member of one buys them. Like how the city and guild will get member credits, the greathouse should get a few allotted. This would help with building things for the family, or even having a family credit sale.
just an opinion, but i think it'd be awesome