I fully agree with you. I am certain it is not "newbies" just novices who know what the map is and how to get it. It still is annoying to see a sudden influx of novices from orgs come hopping over to use the map though, and still is a valid point that it is an Org blessing that isn't just an Org blessing.

There are definitely more important issues with the system that need to be addressed.

Yep.

Yes, like war champions! When people from three orgs are all fighting the things and not killing each other you know it's bad!!

Yeah. All it would have taken was even one of those orgs pulling out (not even trying to stop it, just no longer helping), and it was all over.

Those things are insane.

Omg. Those things HURT. I can understand the damage- it's expected. It's just when they all trample or trample and do the balance loss thing all at once. I'm standing there with a reflection and shield and perfectly fine, next thing I know I'm losing balance (even though it hit the reflection) and getting trampled (broken limbs and prone) all at once. So no restoring my limbs off balance I thought trample was supposed to be effective on targets that are prone, not standing. Those things are brutal. Shame I didn't get to try balancing on them.

I'll play devil's advocate here (because I really really like to sometimes!)

It is a benefit to the org, and whoever isn't enemied to the org, true. And that's a good thing, because it lets people that may be helping Serenwilde at any particular time take advantage of a really useful tool. It works to Serenwilde's benefit that any cooperative effort won't be hindered by the map not being useful by everyone.

Even from a self-interest standpoint, it's good to keep people who aren't enemies, non-enemies. There are enough enemies as it is, and while it may be odd to see novices walking around the mother tree, if Serenwilde says "no, you can't share this", it's only going to be interpreted in a hostile sort of way. Sure, Serenwilde isn't required to keep it open to all, but the benefits probably outweigh the costs from a PR point of view.

On top of that, it's located at the Serenwilde Nexus. It's still more of an advantage for Serenwilders just because of that. Serenwilde hangs out at their Nexus, the same way other cities and communes hang out at theirs. For anyone other than a really new novice, they'd have to get to the Moonhart Mother Tree before they could use it. So, for a Celestian at the pool of stars, maybe that's not too long a walk. But for others, it is probably faster just to walk where they are going anyway.

And, after all, it is mostly portal-using novices that use the thing. Once they can't use portals anymore, they'll go away. They're the only ones it's really convienent for, and on the off chance they are an actual new novice, hey, it's one more little thing that makes their life easier in the beggining- and maybe that will be the one little marble in the scale that makes them stick around. Who knows?

Personally, I can see the IC reasoning behind blocking it too. The Mother Tree is the oldest surviving Nexus in the basin. It is extremely sacred, and it is certainly not a bus stop for the basin. On the other hand, from an IC standpoint, what better way to display the majesty and purity of the Wilde than have those novices actually visit it?

Heh, those were rough on you guys. I felt bad. Especially as I was constantly off balance and or prone with broken legs.

Not a single one attacked me directly, I believe. It was the trample spam. If three of them had trampled at the same time, it would've been instakill for me. Thank goodness for restoration in discipline, though. I was just there to keep Celestode and other songs going. I should've tried weaving nature and seeing if I could dodge their tramples through that (hey, I dodged Raziela's room attacks)... but I didn't think of that until my last death and I didn't want to strand another ship over there.

Oh, so I'm not the only one who does this?

Sarrasri and Gregori are right, but I don't think it's that important. Oh well, if the admin happen to change it in passing it would be a good thing.

Catarin and Malicia are also right, but I'm bitter that I didn't think about complaining about that when I had war, so I'm going to pretend they're wrong. War champions are fine.

Ragniliff gets -10 points for doing something I never thoguht of even though it should have been obvious, lucky we have that map now hmm.

Malicia hit it on the head, Serenwilde.

Celest was largely responsible for you getting your first ascendent, as she said, and I'll take it one step further and say they should probably receive a small percentage of all your domoth benefits from you.

No, Celest shouldn't get bonuses for Seren blessings.

But yes, I agree with the Celestian players + Shuyin in saying that it is really a non-issue.

And Nejii, who -doesn't- do it? -10 points for you. (Or lots of people are just really silly and need to learn about these obvious tricks)

Their impact was in no way major enough to "deserve" bonuses from our domoth efforts permanently, especially when Shuyin was already almost a demigod, and especially when a good portion of our efforts don't involve Shuyin (mostly sceptres though, we only have so many demigods). None of which is to say that the help wasn't appreciated, of course.

While nobody can deny Celest being there helped. Celest certainly did not secure victory for Serenwilde. Needless to say, but we have had other Domoths as well. Having a TA does not mean we can't get Domoths as we have already proven.

However, if you would like to follow this line of reasoning, Glomdoring hasn't done anything without the aid of Magnagora. Anything Glomdoring ever gets, Magnagora should be getting a portion of as well.

? I got the beauty throne the first time without Magnagora, and they certainly had no hand in raising me-- or even in our power gain, since they denied us Earth-Power until recently. Celest actually helped a lot more with that, with all the Water-essence.

(PS: Celest choosing to help Seren over Glom *is* what secured victory for Sojiro. Seren's and Glom's numbers were pretty close, so the entire thing was decided on maze & Celest's decision)

Edit: Not that I'm saying Celest should get part of the Domoth blessings, that's not how the system works-- you just can't say that you don't owe your TA to Celest. If they hadn't shown up, Vis would've won. If they had supported us, I would've won.

Really, it's not that big a deal.

ICly, Shujiro owes Celest for helping him get TA, TA lets him participate in Domoths, therefore, he tries his best to help whatever he can if needed, whether it be helping them get their own thrones, fighting, or let them use the map.

I wouldn't go so far as to tithe them 1000 power or something though, heh.

Btw, nerf war champs.

If they are nerfed, change them to 'War wimps.'

They are champions for a reason!

Another thing.

I don't mind blackout on these mobs. But I -despise- room blackout. It keeps getting us killed because we can't really do anything about it. Kings, champions and paradoxes all seem to do room blackout and when there's more than one of them you're essentially permanently blacked out. There isn't any real way to combat this and it's really brutal. Can we make this one attack targetted please?