Woo.

Personally, I don't think that Vernals who drop their org should be uniformly dropped to demigod. The power is the property of the org, and this would mean that an individual would benefit from it even separate from the org - if, say, Xenthos were raised, as he's level 88 (I think), and then chose to leave, his betrayal of the whole of Glomdoring would still leave him hugely profiting from the experience. Level 88 isn't even half of the way to demigod. I'm not sure if any sort of compromise could be reached here to give the individual experience based on the essence they've gained or such, though. I honestly just think that the person should drop back to exactly where they were beforehand. If Xenthos is 88 and 55% of the way to the next level, he'd drop back precisely there. That might seem harsh, but so is an org losing a million power on someone.

And sorry, Xenthos, you just came to mind randomly.

I agree to the point raised.

That's fine!

I think that concern would be offset by 1) Losing the Ascendant stuff the candidate has been working on, and 2) A history of not leaving their organization. It's an extra reason to make sure you pick a good candidate.

Coding-wise, it's easier just to drop someone to Demigod than store their previous state.

(PS. Please fix the power output of Domotheos Crowns! Or at least let us know that you're considering it!)

What's broken?

I agree.

I agree with this. A VAs betrayal results in a large number of people losing a great deal of effort but they get the reward of demigod? That seems very off. If it's too hard to calculate their progression whilst an Ascendant I would say just put them back to where they were when they were raised.

The fact that 1 Crown is the same power output as winning both Literary *and* Scholarly prestige contests, and there are 9 of them. We've been discussing it a bit in the Domotheos thread, along with decent alternatives (that are still good, but not quite as excessive).

It makes more sense on an RP level to have an Ascendant drop to Demigod, I think. After touching all that power and everything? I don't particularly mind them keeping Demigod though, because like it was mentioned, it kind of gives people reason to stop and think about the people they're raising up.

If the million power doesn't make them stop and think I doubt much else will. It's not really fair that a VA gets to keep some benefit of being raised when the org that raises them is basically screwed.

I don't know what ascendant will have to lose upon their death. Normally Demigod lose some of essences upon at death. so naturally if their essence reaches zero or below, they reverts lose their demigodhood status and return to titan. Of course, which to the point everybody know that. Do Ascendant lose something upon their death? powers from nexus or something else?

anyway my point is that why bother betray the organization, if you have a good benefit of being ascendant than the rest of demigods? like you don't lose essence when walking around the realm of Domoth, have gained ascendnary skills, etc.

so why bother betray the organizations anyway?

just my two cent on that one.

((I am not good at making the points.. on importance that Vernal Ascendant is, I guess.))

I really really dislike the drop to demigod. There should be two reasons to lose Vernal Ascendant

1. The city or commune leaders chose to remove the power from you, in this case your essence gets transformed to experience and added to your level before raising
2. you chose to leave your city or commune before that council does it, in this case you revert to your old level and your essence is used to preserve your life during such a violent attack on your divine spark, leaving you at the exact point of when you where raised.

The orgs should not be the only ones haivng to seriously consider their actions, the ascendant themselves should have something to lose on betraying

This makes it seem like the only thing an ascendant looses is their status as one. is there other gain by being an ascendant or is it just permanent demigod?

There are other gains. We don't know them all yet.

So they loose whatever those gains are, the ability to get domoth items as easily and the trust to ever be raised to ascendant again?

Yes... boo demigod >_>

I don't think there's a particular need to punish people though. It probably won't even come up often enough to have been worth coding.

Question:

What's the difference in stats and power-wise between True and Vernal Ascendants?

AND if the difference is vast, can a Vernal Ascendant participate in a seal weakening and win? If so, then will the Vernal become True and what will happen to the power invested?

From my impression Vernal and True ascendants are exactly the same bar one thing. A vernal can lose their status, a true can not.
RPly vernals might decide to play out a connection with their nexus (oooer neji could shed moonhart leaves) because they were raised through it or somesuchthing, where vernals might go with more symbolism related to their domoth.
However by the same note they could go in a completely different direction all together.

Question still stands:

If a vernal can lose their status, can they compete to become a true then? And wouldn't they have an unfair advantage if this is so?

Ascendants should be able to join FFAs. Level 101!