Unnerfing Races, and improving in general

by Unknown

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Xavius2008-03-02 21:46:39
Brood viscanti, master viscanti, high elfen, imperial merian, shadowlord faeling, shadowcaster faeling. Only two of eight are gender sensitive.
Unknown2008-03-03 00:06:37
QUOTE(Denust @ Mar 2 2008, 09:27 PM) 490625
Ditch the fullplate and go for greatrobes/splendors! laugh.gif It's how I handled l2 magic weakness (not that I ever really fought or could even wear anything other than robes!)

Slightly off-topic:

Are shadowlord faelings the only spec. race that isn't gender sensitive? i.e.: I have seen Merian Lady, I think Elfen Lady (once), but all the female Ebonguard faelings are shadowlords. Unless they're secretly men? O.o


Actually in the English language the term lord is unisex, and it is accutally a step down to change to lady much like the master/mistress concept.
Arvont2008-03-03 00:26:49
QUOTE(krin1 @ Mar 3 2008, 08:06 AM) 490655
Actually in the English language the term lord is unisex, and it is accutally a step down to change to lady much like the master/mistress concept.


Oh wow ... Krin was right! quickexit.gif
Ashteru2008-03-03 01:09:21
I think someone hacked his account. He used punctuation marks and I was able to read -and- understand it all.
Callia2008-03-03 01:15:52
Yeah but he used a reference to something I wrote on this board with out a cite, I demand to be cited!
Unknown2008-03-03 01:33:58
/unhijacking

Alright, people love the lobo, sort of like the dwarf, and detest the dracnari ideas.. bring your own ideas, come on, people. I know most of you have to have SOME idea of what would be nice, let's see some kephera/illithoid specilizations, and all that
Xavius2008-03-03 01:39:06
QUOTE(Callia Parayshia @ Mar 2 2008, 07:15 PM) 490663
Yeah but he used a reference to something I wrote on this board with out a cite, I demand to be cited!

Except, whereas he's right about lord, you're wrong about master.
Unknown2008-03-03 03:04:53
QUOTE(Xavius @ Mar 2 2008, 01:46 PM) 490629
Brood viscanti, master viscanti, high elfen, imperial merian, shadowlord faeling, shadowcaster faeling. Only two of eight are gender sensitive.


doh.gif

Not quite what I meant. I should have said it more along the lines of: "Of the ones that are gender-sensitive, is Shadowlord faeling meant to be or are Merian/Elfen Lady just different?"

I'm just being nitpicky about consistency. nyah.gif

EDIT:
QUOTE(Mysti @ Mar 1 2008, 01:17 PM) 490376
You know, Aetolia, that bastard child of IRE has some stat/skill increases at certain levels, moreso than we do..


Not anymore. They changed how they did their skill distributions, which kind of prompted people here to press Estarra about racial redesign (among other things) again.
Unknown2008-03-03 03:41:57
DRACNARI:
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15 Strength
10 Dexterity
15 Constitution
15 Intelligence
10 Charisma
14 Size

Dracnari Have a racial language.
level 3 Are resistant to fire.
level 3 Are resistant to psychic damage
level 2 Are resistant to poison damage.
level 2 Regenerate mana and health(outdoor daytime only).
level 2 Faster focus balance.
Can breathe fire upon reaching level 50.

level 3 Are susceptible to cold.
level 2 Heal more slowly from elixirs.
DWARF:

QUOTE

16 Strength
12 Dexterity
14 Constitution
13 Intelligence
10 Charisma
7 Size

Dwarven Have a racial language.
level 2 Resistance to cutting damage.
level 2 Resistance to blunt damage.
level 2 Resistance to magical damage.
level 2 Resistance to cold.

Native Weapon: Dwarf warriors who choose the Axelord specialization
can use two-handed axes more accurately than other races.
Stone of Klangratch: Dwarfs cannot become liches and their bodies cannot be used in necromancy.


TRILL:
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11 Strength
14 Dexterity
10 Constitution
14 Intelligence
15 Charisma
10 Size

Can fly.
level 2 Regenerate health and mana while flying.
level 3 Resistance to cold.
level 2 Resistance to electricity.
level 2 Resistance to psychic damage.

level 1 Susceptible to fire.
level 1 Susceptible to blunt.
LOBOSHIGARU:
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15 Strength
15 Dexterity
16 Constitution
10 Intelligence
10 Charisma
13 Size

loboshigaru Have a racial language.
level 3 Health regeneration.
level 1 Resistance to fire.
level 1 Resistance to cold.
level 1 Resistance to poison damage.
Claws: Loboshigaru Monks who choose a Kata specialization
can use Kata attacks more accurately than other races.

level 3 Susceptible to magic.


MUGWUMP:
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12 Strength
12 Dexterity
10 Constitution
16 Intelligence
13 Charisma
12 Size

mugwumpi Have a racial language.
level 2 Regain equilibrium faster.
level 1 Resistance to asphyxiation damage.
level 2 Regenerate health and mana while in marsh or swamp.
Can breathe underwater.
Can automatically swim and tread water without taking damage.
Can DIVE into the ocean depths (RISE to come up).

level 3 Susceptible to fire.
level 3 Susceptible to electricity.
TAEDAE:
QUOTE

17 Strength
8 Dexterity
17 Constitution
9 Intelligence
15 Charisma
16 Size

tae'dae Have a racial language.
Does damage when performing a BEARHUG.
level 2 Resistance to cutting damage.
level 2 Resistance to blunt damage.
level 2 Resistance to cold damage.
level 2 Resistance to poison damage.
level 2 Resistance to psychic damage.
level 2 Heal faster from elixirs.

level 1 Slower balance.
level 2 Slower equilibrium.
level 3 Susceptibility to magic damage.
Unknown2008-03-03 04:37:55
Taurian
Strength : 15 dex 12 con: 17
int: 9 cha :11 size : 15

language
1 health regen
2 cutting resistance
+2 non- weighted str.
Shiri2008-03-03 04:39:23
I'm not sure why loboshigaru need anything new here, they're a good race as-is.
Unknown2008-03-03 04:40:43
QUOTE(B_a_L_i @ Mar 2 2008, 03:03 PM) 490621
Excuse me, shadowlord faelings. ^.^

quickexit.gif


Care to explain how you come to this conclusion? Shadowlord faelings were pretty mediocre up until stat weighing was adjusted, and now they're only really OP for bashing since STR means so little in that regard.

I can only think of two people who have done some major killing as Shadowlord faelings at all over the last year: Sintor and Thoros. Thoros is an extremely competent demigod that can probably kill a huge chunk of the pbase as any race, and Sintor didn't stay a Shadowlord for long before he became a Taurian, and has himself expressed that they're a race that's nothing really to rave about... unless you're a demigod.

It's not to say that there's nothing wrong with Shadowlords. There's definitely something wrong with a race that's only awesome for a select tier of people who have reached Demigod (and oddly enough, not a single one of the Demis currently in the Ebonguard is a Shadowlord), but saying it needs to be "nerfed" doesn't really make sense. That's like saying Tae'dae need to be nerfed because Ashteru can fight as one.

EDIT: Regarding the subject of female Shadowlords, this has come up in conversation every so often in the guild, and each time we can't really come up with a gender sensitive alternative that doesn't sound cheesy. "Shadowlady" just doesn't really cut it. So we let it rest and put it back on the shelf instead of worrying about it. tongue.gif
Xenthos2008-03-03 04:58:22
QUOTE(Vendetta Morendo @ Mar 2 2008, 11:40 PM) 490709
Care to explain how you come to this conclusion? Shadowlord faelings were pretty mediocre up until stat weighing was adjusted, and now they're only really OP for bashing since STR means so little in that regard.

I can only think of two people who have done some major killing as Shadowlord faelings at all over the last year: Sintor and Thoros. Thoros is an extremely competent demigod that can probably kill a huge chunk of the pbase as any race, and Sintor didn't stay a Shadowlord for long before he became a Taurian, and has himself expressed that they're a race that's nothing really to rave about... unless you're a demigod.

It's not to say that there's nothing wrong with Shadowlords. There's definitely something wrong with a race that's only awesome for a select tier of people who have reached Demigod (and oddly enough, not a single one of the Demis currently in the Ebonguard is a Shadowlord), but saying it needs to be "nerfed" doesn't really make sense. That's like saying Tae'dae need to be nerfed because Ashteru can fight as one.

EDIT: Regarding the subject of female Shadowlords, this has come up in conversation every so often in the guild, and each time we can't really come up with a gender sensitive alternative that doesn't sound cheesy. "Shadowlady" just doesn't really cut it. So we let it rest and put it back on the shelf instead of worrying about it. tongue.gif

Pretty much spot on throughout.

PS. Are you back?
Jitwix2008-03-04 10:12:57

QUOTE(Amarok @ Mar 2 2008, 11:16 PM) 490616
now if can only do something about the magic weakness, now that hurts... ouch.gif


We have to have some sort of weakness. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Shiri @ Mar 3 2008, 07:39 AM) 490708
I'm not sure why loboshigaru need anything new here, they're a good race as-is.


Yeah! But it would be nice to form packs even if they don't actually do anything. I need to think up a good reason to put something in the game that doesn't do anything. huh.gif
Unknown2008-03-04 16:33:31
QUOTE(Vendetta Morendo @ Mar 3 2008, 04:40 AM) 490709
Care to explain how you come to this conclusion? Shadowlord faelings were pretty mediocre up until stat weighing was adjusted, and now they're only really OP for bashing since STR means so little in that regard.

I can only think of two people who have done some major killing as Shadowlord faelings at all over the last year: Sintor and Thoros. Thoros is an extremely competent demigod that can probably kill a huge chunk of the pbase as any race, and Sintor didn't stay a Shadowlord for long before he became a Taurian, and has himself expressed that they're a race that's nothing really to rave about... unless you're a demigod.

It's not to say that there's nothing wrong with Shadowlords. There's definitely something wrong with a race that's only awesome for a select tier of people who have reached Demigod (and oddly enough, not a single one of the Demis currently in the Ebonguard is a Shadowlord), but saying it needs to be "nerfed" doesn't really make sense. That's like saying Tae'dae need to be nerfed because Ashteru can fight as one.

EDIT: Regarding the subject of female Shadowlords, this has come up in conversation every so often in the guild, and each time we can't really come up with a gender sensitive alternative that doesn't sound cheesy. "Shadowlady" just doesn't really cut it. So we let it rest and put it back on the shelf instead of worrying about it. tongue.gif


lol it depends as i know shadowlord faelings, with arti'd up hammers = stun forever.
Xenthos2008-03-04 17:22:39
QUOTE(krin1 @ Mar 4 2008, 11:33 AM) 491132
lol it depends as i know shadowlord faelings, with arti'd up hammers = stun forever.

That's because Bonecrusher is unique in one regard: They have a lot of lower-wounding-state good afflictions, such as stuns. That's an issue with Bonecrusher, not Faelings, really. Aslaran can do the same thing. High-speed low-strength races are very suited to this, because they don't do as much wounding but do attack faster. It's a fair bit different with any of the other specs where the nastier afflictions take more wounding, since we spend a lot of our time in the lower-wound-states.
Unknown2008-03-04 17:41:55
I like Aslaran, so I'm terribly biased in these sort of discussions. Thus, I'll refrain from things that would impact mechanics and such.

That said, I'd like to see things that give character to the races, even if nothing else. Like, Aslaran are supposed to be very fast, and this is reflected in their balance/equilibrium bonuses, but it would be neat to have some sort of exclusive emote that keys in on this, or some other racial trait. Similar things could be done for the other races.

It would also be neat to see other abilities that operate as hooks for racial RP. There never seems to be much of this, unless you're the wrong race in the wrong place.
Amarok2008-03-04 19:46:14
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Claws: Loboshigaru Monks who choose a Kata specialization
can use Kata attacks more accurately than other races.


Well, personally of course I would like to see this a Tracking specialization, as I see the pack hunting mentality more suited to Tracking than the Monastic lifestyle, and would also "explain" the weakness to magic as one would not encounter it often, or have much to do with it. Not sure what bonus's, but hunting/tracking as a whole needs some love
Astraea2008-03-04 19:57:55
I want to see Faeling specializations in Serenwilde, and Elfen specializations in Glomdoring..


But that's just because I want a reason to reincarnate into an Elfen and prance around trying to be like Rowena...

But on a serious note, I think it'd be cool if we eventually had more options for specializations, I'm not saying make every race spec-able in all orgs, but, ones that fit?


Or maybe it's just because I want to be a Night Elfen. suspicious.gif
Unknown2008-03-04 21:59:41
QUOTE(Astraea @ Mar 4 2008, 07:57 PM) 491169
I want to see Faeling specializations in Serenwilde, and Elfen specializations in Glomdoring..
But that's just because I want a reason to reincarnate into an Elfen and prance around trying to be like Rowena...

But on a serious note, I think it'd be cool if we eventually had more options for specializations, I'm not saying make every race spec-able in all orgs, but, ones that fit?
Or maybe it's just because I want to be a Night Elfen. suspicious.gif


Actually, when I first started here, it took me a bit to process how Faelings were the Glomdoring race, even though they're associated with Serenwilde as well. It would be interesting to see Seren aligned faelings, and, I dunno, Wyrdspawn elfen.