QUOTE(Malicia @ Mar 12 2008, 08:55 PM) 493170
I can agree there. I think Silimaur suggested that they freeze monks and bards in time, like Hallifax and Gaudiguch. We could find some rp reason for it.
Another point to make is that I somewhat agree that the whole 'you have to run!' thing is a bit unappealing. Won't stop me from using inqui, though as a Paladin it's better to utilize your warrior skillset. I also don't remember you pushing to have inquisition changed while you were Celestine or when you and Amaru were running around having fun, but that's irrelevant. I'm not trying to argue with you.
Understand that it's ALL Sacraments has. You know this. BS aside, sacraments has judgement, heretic, infidel and inquisition. Are you and others saying that all Sacraments users should just stop using the only 4 offensive abilities in that skillset? And to what end? Sacraments won't be changed or upgraded. They won't even fix sacrifice (Hi Morgfyre.) The entire process is very discouraging and annoying and to top that, you have people crying how lame Celestines are for using the abilities as they were designed.
Another point to make is that I somewhat agree that the whole 'you have to run!' thing is a bit unappealing. Won't stop me from using inqui, though as a Paladin it's better to utilize your warrior skillset. I also don't remember you pushing to have inquisition changed while you were Celestine or when you and Amaru were running around having fun, but that's irrelevant. I'm not trying to argue with you.
Understand that it's ALL Sacraments has. You know this. BS aside, sacraments has judgement, heretic, infidel and inquisition. Are you and others saying that all Sacraments users should just stop using the only 4 offensive abilities in that skillset? And to what end? Sacraments won't be changed or upgraded. They won't even fix sacrifice (Hi Morgfyre.) The entire process is very discouraging and annoying and to top that, you have people crying how lame Celestines are for using the abilities as they were designed.
Sacraments has about as much as Necromancy does. It's sad really. I wish Sacraments + Necromancy were both put up to what Moon/Night have.
I never said I am pushing to have inquisition changed. Won't even bother. It will not be changed, unless something miraculous comes into play (Hi Morgfyre). But why design skills so shoddy and don't even bother to exchange them for skills which are much funner and have more synergy with the rest of the skillset, which would benefit both Celestines -and- Paladins, and likewise for Necromancy.
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Mar 12 2008, 05:01 PM) 493201
Malicia, bringing up old posts of Thoros is meaningless, because as what I bolded above in his statement, he has proven himself in other archetypes, as a Celestine, Nihilist and Ur'Guard. As far as I know, Talkan has only stayed in one archetype. So, in my personal opinion, it's a lot safer for Thoros to talk about this archetype because he has been on both sides of the fence. Talkan has not, and has only been in one archetype.
Thoros mentioned in one of those old threads, he had a Nihilist alt at the same time he played as a Celestine. He knew the skillsets. He didn't leave the Celestines and suddenly become enlightened. Nothing has drastically changed. Well, Necromancy/Nihilists has seen upgrades since then. Sacraments is virtually unchanged. It's not meaningless. It proves my point that at one time, he defended using inquisition and now he's saying it's a lame, no-brainer tactic.
Also, Talkan had a Paladin alt. Well, his MAIN char was a Paladin and he did pretty well. Not saying who, unless he wants to. I still don't think he should have to constantly prove that he can hold his own. It isn't about, for me, who the better fighter is. They're BOTH good. It's such a waste of time. And reading those old threads, it's so funny how you see the same people who used to talk crap about Thoros as a Celestine, calling his skill into question then, kissing his ass now, because he plays a Mag character. He was always good. Just enough with the inquisition-bashing stuff!
QUOTE(talkans)
Vapors wasn't used. And vapors wouldn't stop a monk, anyway. Shieldstun doesn't stop a monk, only a faeling. And stun doesn't stop forms anyway. Everything I did could have been managed by Revan had he put some thought into his combat instead of relying on the true trainingwheels class to do everything for him.
Vapors/paralysis, then shieldstun. Done at the right time they are stunned and prone, they leave stun, are still proned, so form ends. That form of matter anyway
QUOTE(malicia)
I can agree there. I think Silimaur suggested that they freeze monks and bards in time, like Hallifax and Gaudiguch. We could find some rp reason for it.
And there is where you earn meh <3 ^____^ With a few changes you could have the Niliphony! Bwahahaha
Glamours + quickening ftw!As for Necro being more like moon...
Hmm keep rituals so it isnt a moon clone.... Then moon has:
-A form of link to nexus (which Nihilists get in Nihilism).
-A local area quick teleport (beam)
-Aura for magic resist (draconis serves this purpose already)
-Shafts (like carcer)
-Waxing (like puella)
-Improve exp gain
-Ressurect.. for when you dont conglute/vitae/lich
-Skill to strip defs and afflict room or target
-Aeon in a tertiary for Knights O_O And Nihilists Here Nihilist hexist...
-Area attack
-Lich giving like DMP 24? And weaponaura (lich already does stats, not sure about the mana regen, but we can let moonburst go for now).
I honestly like moon.
I would adore dropping monks and bards, give us back our place as top afflicters.. or lets just move away from afflicting >.>
Ok I am done for now, forgot what else I meant to quote.
QUOTE(Refugee @ Mar 12 2008, 09:52 PM) 493293
I was actually excited about the possibilities that this combination opened up for me as an OP ez-mode moon BC, but a few people have told me that waning isn't terribly effective, even with crush windpipe taken into account; though I've yet to properly sit down and go through all the possible affliction/wound permutations since I'm still coming to grips with Lusternia's way of doing things.
Waning if you arent a race with an eq bonus is 4s. In that time they will likely have gedulah'd and therefore can cure out of aeon. Good curing has a fair chance to cure out of that in other words. It is evil sounding though, and in some situations it could make for interesting results. I am more looking at a mugwump hexist with aeon and a demon. Though really... demon anorexia stupidity after you vapors then aeon... ouch. The afflicting combination would SUCK to fight, without aeon though it doesnt work so well. Tis the paradox
EDIT: Ooo post 777. Yay for holy numbers? I decree it negative 777!
