Well, there IS that whole "cleanse the tainted viscanti children" quest. (I think, at least. I've never done it.)

What about it? I've seen Mags trying to stop people from doing that quest and killing the Lucidian. You're saying otherwise? Most of them go for the 'sabotage' side of the quest.

Edit: Also, that is not a conflict quest. Not sure what you're getting at, whatsoever.

Yes... so it's a quest that exists that isn't in their interests, and I imagine if one of them were to do it they'd get in some trouble.

There definitely are more that are biased against everyone but Mag, though.

See my above edit. Your point isn't really that relevant.

The point isn't just to add quests that are against Magnagoran interests. It's to add -conflict- quests that are against Magnagoran interests.

It isn't a conflict quest? Why? It has several different conflicting ideals running through it (trying to cleanse the taint vs experimenting on children, innocence of youth vs the fundamental corruption of taint, slavery vs freedom even). How does all that conflict not equal a conflict quest?

It's an interesting quest, but there are two sides to it and neither result would affect the rest of the playerbase. For that reason, it wouldn't be labeled a 'conflict' quest.

This would actually have some basis if the quest was not "Hi! I am Tainted come help me!"

3 years of game play, books being released, Kethuru(bringer of taint) trying to eat us once or twice a year, avatars, spirits, supernals all teaching us that soulless are bad, taint is bad does not define grey areas. It defines Taint = bad. A quest that promotes taint, is not a grey area, it is a freebie for supporters of taint.

I think most people embrace this. Even some of the most ardent Celest-character players have said (OOC at least!) that they don't necessarily see Celest as “good”.

But the complaint here is more than just trying to recognize that solutions may favor the more aesthetically dark without being explicitly “evil”. Its more an issue of objective parity. City A has to do something that goes against its nature, while the same activity is right in line with the nature of City B.

Now, it would be much to binding to expect that every quest have a direct counter-part I think, as well as feeling pretty contrived. But it would be nice to see an overall sense of equity.

Like, perhaps, the next quest has the singular solution of “cleanse this island of taint”, or “Assist this paladin in his objective” and in doing so, it would grant some benefit to the city that does it, even Magnagora. That would be great for New Celest, neutral-ish for the communes, and RP wise, probably heretical for a Magnagoran. Since there isnt a clear “good” or “evil”, cleansing the taint would be morally grey and neutral as much as activating the broadcast center- it would merely be more convenient, RP wise, for Celest, and less convenient RP wise for Magnagora.

rofl. Enero, tell us how you -really- feel?

Edit:

Enero

Let's keep the thread on topic, civil, and away from attacks/accusations of bias (which are particularly absurd since I was not involved in the creation of this area). If you ever have an issue with an admin, or feel there is a case of bias influencing events unfairly, you should email support@lusternia.com and it will be reviewed.

I don't know about the two sides to it. Maybe on the most basic level. But all those moral ambiguitiies make it more murky, IMO, than a simply either-or. On the one hand, there's furthering the cause of cleansing the taint. But in that same hand there's the pain and suffering of children. Careless experimentation. Enslavement. On the other hand there's preventing all those things. In that same hand though there's helping maintain the taint. Preventing progress in finding a 'cure' for it.

Seems like tough moral decisions either way and not really as simple as there being just two sides. But maybe that's just me.

I'll give you the 'doesn't affect the rest of the playerbase' though.

So, the quest is a personal conflict quest, not a world conflict one.

Uhh... a significant percentage of that post was on-topic, excepting (I think two?) one-sentence paragraphs that were unneeded / an attack on you. Though it's kind of hard to tell as it's all gone now, I just don't remember the entire thing being an attack.

Okay, since Enero's post was deleted and one is not allowed to re-post them, I'll be sending his post out in e-mail format. Just send me a PM with your e-mail address and you can have it.

I don't disagree with any of that. The issue of killing children, even viscanti ones, has been a subject of debate for Celest's Council. Not sure about others. But I've already stated my point. I was more focused on quests that sort of have a tangible impact on the community.

For all you people complaining, make your own quest/area and pitch it to the admin. Lusternia has that capability.

Very well, I apologize for taking a shot at you, Morgfyre. I edited what I said before and I hope this time it is close enough to topic and contains no accusations to bias, so I hope it will not be removed like the previous one. Also, from hereon I will take all my concerns to support, as you suggested.



I do agree that Light is not necessarily good, or just, or merciful, nor do I think that it should be. You are right, it's not white, but nevertheless in eyes of New Celest and Light, taint is something that has to be destroyed at all costs, something that is against everything New Celest stands for, thus while grays are possible in the definition of either of them, it's impossible to have grays in relations between the two.

I might be young to Lusternia, a mere year or so, but believe you me, there would never EVER be a discussion wether the stronghold of Light, could spread the teachings of Taint in order to benefit from being able to lead more scholars/pilgrims/bards. NEVER. It's not because we think we are good or just, it's not because Taint is bad. Things are not even considered and won't be considered in such categories by anyone who has at least half a brain that is half functional.

Yes, Serenwilde and Glomdoring could care less, if they use means of Taint to their benefit, since it's not something they directly oppose (though the current state of Serenwilde is against Taint, at least the majority). Try creating a quest where Serenwilde would be asked to assist Crow, one who gladly would feed from the corpse of Hart and see what happens. How can you possibly suggest that spreading the teachings of your arch-enemy is something that is OK?

You make claims that is is available by everyone just because you have coded it that way, this however proves nothing, but the fact that it is mechanically possible.

And as for your words that there will never a perfect quest solution for an org... well, again, this quest pretty clearly indicates the opposite. It has a perfect solution for one org, for Magnagora. It does not, even in slightest, have anything that could be called a solution for New Celest, Serenwilde and Glomdoring.

We can do it too?
Hell yes, technically we can, should I list the consequences? Well, I guess why not.
Starting from the smallest: yelled at, disfavoured, kicked out, enemied. On top of that, if you would happen to be a Terentian, you would be zapped, maggoted, kicked from the order and truedisfavoured till stones grow a beard.

This is perfectly fine?
I don't think it is.

That is a fair point.

Conversion and recruitment is also a valid method to be used against the Taint, clearly supported by some Supernal's teachings. But it appears some players would rather take the easy route to eliminate rather than strengthen their own position by removing an individual from the Taint and adding an ally to the Light.

Perhaps a missionary quest that "stole" servants of the Viscanti great houses would be interesting?

I also find it interesting that while there is anti-Taint sentiment in New Celest, there is not necessarily totally pro-Light to the exclusion of any other perspective. For example the conversion of the fae to Raziela is a quest that has not been done for some number of years.